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1 posted on 01/02/2007 6:25:46 AM PST by Valin
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To: Valin
Iminngernaveersaartunngortussaavunga

Say that three times fast.

2 posted on 01/02/2007 6:29:18 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: SunkenCiv
ping
6 posted on 01/02/2007 6:44:07 AM PST by kitchen (Over gunned? Hell, that's better than the alternative!)
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To: Valin
Very neat stuff.

My Gaelic professor for her summer fieldwork documented the death of a particular Scottish Gaelic dialect.

The Scottish Gaelic that is taught in school is standardized from Skye Gaelic. She was documenting the substantially different dialect spoken by isolated fishing villages on the east coast of Scotland. Those folks had been forcibly moved there at the time of the Highland Clearances to develop a fishing industry instead of tending sheep on the land from which they were removed . . .

It's very interesting, and it's sort of sad that a distinctive dialect is being lost, but on the other hand these people are no longer uprooted and isolated from the rest of the country. So on balance it's not something to decry.

OTOH, Scottish Gaelic as a whole is dying as an actual spoken language. The census shows more people speaking it (due to its being taught in school) but fewer and fewer of those are native speakers. They simply have a smattering (as I do myself). What my prof said was that if a language isn't spoken at the breakfast table, it dies.

7 posted on 01/02/2007 6:46:53 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Valin

With all these languages dying out, it's a good thing God wrote the Bible in English


8 posted on 01/02/2007 6:51:18 AM PST by far sider
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Wonder how many languages were (inadvertently) destroyed by anthropologists traveling to "study" far-flung tribes.


12 posted on 01/02/2007 7:02:29 AM PST by P.O.E.
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Just the other day I was riding the subway and some homeless guy came up to me and said "Iminngernaveersaartunngortussaavunga".

He was making me nervous, so I handed him a beer and moved to another car.

13 posted on 01/02/2007 7:02:51 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Enoch Powell was right.)
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French isn't dead yet.

Just dying.

Ref: Futurama where they find the universal translator that understands all the universes languages but only translates them into a 'useless dead language' (French).

24 posted on 01/02/2007 7:43:35 AM PST by Dinsdale
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I used to want very badly to become fluent in several languages. After living in Europe, however, I finally came to the realization that the effort involved would only be worth it if I was doing it for the sheer joy of learning.

There was really no need to learn any language beyond English. The whole world was learning English and it is even more true today as people use the internet, get American tv and radio (increasinly over the net), and so on.

As English incorporates other vocabulary from other languages at an increasing pace, this will make it even more interesting and dynamic. But the effort to learn, for example, German would just be for art's sake; there's really no practical value as most Germans speak English.


26 posted on 01/02/2007 7:58:12 AM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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I have to wonder if I am the only Esperanto supporter here...a structure where anyone can have a "home language" but there would also be the single common language.


28 posted on 01/02/2007 8:19:09 AM PST by Starwolf
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To: Valin
If one wants a list of future "dying" languages, just start naming off the current European ones.

They'll be replaced by Arabic.

29 posted on 01/02/2007 8:39:41 AM PST by Gritty (In Europe the new owners are already in place, like a tenant with a right-to-buy agreement-Mk Steyn)
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I don't know how many Native American languages are being lost or already lost. California is made up of many many small tribes and some are extinct or nearly extinct. I expect their languages to disappear all together. I know a lot of the tribes are starting to teach the language to the younger generations now. My tribe, the Yurok, of N. Calif. is teaching their language as well as our neighbors to the north, the Tolowa and to the East, the Hupa. Thanks to many of the elders who give hours of their time to the young people. They have now printed out books of the language for texts to learn by. Somewhat like dictionaries. There is not this problem with bigger tribes like the Lakota, Navaho, Cherokees etc. that have many elders still living. Population is an issue as Indians marrying Indians are more apt to keep their language alive.
32 posted on 01/02/2007 11:56:23 PM PST by fish hawk (. B O stinks. That would be body odor and Barak Obama)
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The Interactive ALR--Database of Native American Languages
42 posted on 01/03/2007 7:29:22 AM PST by Antoninus ( Rudy McRomney as the GOP nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media loves them?)
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"Cynthiae Figuras Aemulatur Mater Amorum"

43 posted on 01/03/2007 7:32:40 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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No one has actually spoken Lenape for a very long time.

I'm not sure where the author got this claim...it may just have been an assumption on his part, as many of the Eastern Algonquian languages died out long ago...not Lenape though. There were still a handful of native speakers left last I heard in the mid-90s--Lucy Parks Blalock "Touching Leaves Woman" was fluent in the Unami dialect, and she only passed away in 2000:

http://members.tripod.com/~lenapelady/lucy.html

As the obituary mentions, she had started classes in the language. I have a set of Lenape language lessons she made.

44 posted on 01/03/2007 7:58:20 AM PST by Claud
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As a side note, anyone else notice how some of the biggest jerks on the planet are lingusts?
48 posted on 01/03/2007 8:32:22 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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3,450 languages face extinction worldwide
Times of India Editorial
Language is primarily about communication. Languages that facilitate interaction between societies survive, the rest die. That is the inescapable logic of history. As societies and communities shed their isolation, languages are forced to change and adapt to new situations. The result is not always predictable. When two societies that speak two different languages engage with each other, it is possible for one of them to dominate the other. This leads to the decline, and eventual disappearance, of the other language. In some cases, a new language itself emerges from the interaction of various speeches and dialects. A third possibility is of both the languages enriching each other... Languages evolve, and sometimes transform, by interacting with other tongues. Those which refuse to socialise are fated to oblivion or fall into disuse. The smart languages are those that frequently borrow from other tongues, and thus maintain an ever-expanding vocabulary. Such languages dominate the world. English is the finest example of a language that has expanded beyond its area of origin by being open to change.

51 posted on 01/03/2007 9:57:03 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Ahmedumbass and the mullahcracy is doomed. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Someone out there is sure to appreciate McWhorter's Teaching Company course. It's particularly good on how languages are born and die.

There's a tendency towards greater simplicity over time. So pidgin and creole languages are examples of how new languages are formed out of older, more grammatically developed languages.

You can see such an evolution in the formation of English out of ancestor languages that were grammatically more complex.

57 posted on 01/03/2007 4:41:12 PM PST by x
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related oldie:

'Status' drives extinction of languages
Australian Broadcasting Corp Online | Thursday, 21 August 2003 | Bob Beale
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1248057/posts


60 posted on 01/04/2007 9:48:03 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Ahmedumbass and the mullahcracy is doomed. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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In the same vein as McWhorter's point, regional accents are dying out in America. Children everywhere sound virtually like neighbors. Their parents may still have hometown or rural accents, but regular travel and TV seem to have wiped them away from anyone under about 25 years old.


69 posted on 01/06/2007 3:36:35 PM PST by maica (America will be a hyperpower that's all hype and no power -- if we do not prevail in Iraq)
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Great article and it echoes exactly my thoughts on this subject.


70 posted on 01/06/2007 3:38:46 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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