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Roberts blasts inadequate pay for judges
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^ | December 31, 2006 | PETE YOST

Posted on 01/01/2007 7:26:14 AM PST by indcons

Pay for federal judges is so inadequate that it threatens to undermine the judiciary's independence, Chief Justice John Roberts says in a year-end report critical of Congress.

Issuing an eight-page message devoted exclusively to salaries, Roberts says the 678 full-time U.S. District Court judges, the backbone of the federal judiciary, are paid about half that of deans and senior law professors at top schools.

In the 1950s, 65 percent of U.S. District Court judges came from the practicing bar and 35 percent came from the public sector. Today the situation is reversed, Roberts said, with 60 percent from the public sector and less than 40 percent from private practice.

Federal district court judges are paid $165,200 annually; appeals court judges make $175,100; associate justices of the Supreme Court earn $203,000; the chief justice gets $212,100.

Thirty-eight judges have left the federal bench in the past six years and 17 in the past two years.

The issue of pay, says Roberts, "has now reached the level of a constitutional crisis."

"Inadequate compensation directly threatens the viability of life tenure, and if tenure in office is made uncertain, the strength and independence judges need to uphold the rule of law - even when it is unpopular to do so - will be seriously eroded," Roberts wrote.

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To: sgtbono2002
most Americans live off a lot less than $165,000.

I can say only three things in defense of his claim:

1) The cost of living in DC is as high as Manhattan or LA. It is impossible to buy even a one-bedroom apartment for less than $275,000. Most of the justices have wives and children. The median house price is over $500,000, for the type of houses my working-class grandparents lived in in NE and NW DC a few decades ago. If your house doesn't have a parking space, they also rent for what many pay for a house in the rest of the country.

2) Justice Scalia has often remarked about his pay in relation to the fact that he has nine children.

3) Comparables for decision-makers/thought leaders: university presidents average around $500,000. Corporate CEOs pull down millions per year. Top pay for government lawyers on salary is nearly $120K. Average compensation for trial lawyers in private practice who stand before the Supreme Court is $127,000; of course, many make much more.

321 posted on 01/01/2007 12:14:07 PM PST by Albion Wilde (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. -2 Cor 3:17)
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To: Tall_Texan

The love of money is going to be the downfall of this country.


322 posted on 01/01/2007 12:14:50 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Circumstances are the fire by which the mettle of men is tried.)
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To: grizzly84
I'm told the reason they pay the military McDonalds wages is because you're suppose to volunteer to serve your country rather than the prospect of monetary compensation. Why shouldn't the same standard apply to judges?

Maybe it should, maybe it shouldn't, but the fact is, unless you like the way the judicial system currently operates, you'd see that the present system isn't working.

Instead of attracting selfless patriots, the system presently attracts middling power-hungry incompetents who are after power, not money. We'd get a lot more qualified judges if we were paying them 50% of private sector wages, not 10%.

323 posted on 01/01/2007 12:15:53 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: AmishDude; new2NV
OK, thanks. It wasn't my question, I pinged you because the noob pinged me with a question to you...lol
324 posted on 01/01/2007 12:15:53 PM PST by Beagle8U
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To: Alter Kaker

Did it occur to you that the low pay afforded to judges, on the federal and state levels, may just have contributed to that? The pay is so low that it is difficult to get top quality conservative judges into the judiciary. Instead, the kind of person who is demented enough to take a 75% or more pay cut to become a federal judge is generally power hungry -- just the kind of person who screws up the judiciary. Pay them more and you'll get better nominees and better results.


Are you a NEA member? That's the line they keep pushing and it doesn't work there either. On the other hand, if we could return to the US Constitution as written it would be worth billions a year.
The question isn't money, it's who is nominating and approving the judges. Until that is fixed no amount of money will improve the situation in the least.


325 posted on 01/01/2007 12:16:18 PM PST by freedomfiter2
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To: Albion Wilde
university presidents average around $500,000.

I don't argue with your number, but THAT is nuts.

326 posted on 01/01/2007 12:16:53 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Circumstances are the fire by which the mettle of men is tried.)
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To: cp124
Outsource the court to India.

LOL!!

"Hello, my name ist Jeem, J-I-M! May I be of helped too yoo toodey?"

327 posted on 01/01/2007 12:18:35 PM PST by Albion Wilde (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. -2 Cor 3:17)
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To: Alter Kaker

Many qualified candidates aren't wiling to take that pay cut. In fact, I'm suspicious of those powerhungry few who are willing to do just that.


They would have to be morons like George Washington.


328 posted on 01/01/2007 12:18:44 PM PST by freedomfiter2
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To: dennisw

Is that Tony Blair? Looks like he economizes by getting his shirts folded after laundering instead of individually bagged on hangers.

329 posted on 01/01/2007 12:21:24 PM PST by Albion Wilde (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. -2 Cor 3:17)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

"It is a very leftist, socialist notion that people shouldn't care about making money, and should just be content to work "for the greater good" while getting paid enough to get by on. I don't want leftists/socialists holding the majority of federal judgeships, since they have little respect for the Constitution or for individual liberty."

BINGO!


330 posted on 01/01/2007 12:22:15 PM PST by Texas_shutterbug
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To: freedomfiter2
The question isn't money, it's who is nominating and approving the judges. Until that is fixed no amount of money will improve the situation in the least.

I don't think it's either / or. I think we need a President who will nominate qualified conservative judges. We need a Senate who will approve them. But in addition, we also need a larger pool of qualified conservatives who aren't power hungry megalomaniacs.

At the current pay structure, we just aren't attracting them. In fact, if you followed the courts closely you'd see that one of the consistent problems is that many apparent "conservatives" who want to be appointed to the federal bench are closeted megalomaniacs (see: Souter, David).

The best early sign of judicial megalomania? How about a willingness to take a 90% pay cut to go work for the Federal Government? There's nothing wrong with judges motivated by money, and I'd rather get a bunch of them than a bunch of power hungry zealots.

And no, I'm not an NEA member.

331 posted on 01/01/2007 12:22:42 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Earthdweller
Say it with conviction my friend. You will be respected for your steadfastness. I'm a realist, if philosophy needs be part of law. Instead of the command of the latin language coupling this with the ability to influence people or the simple fact that you all come from the same womb and inherently know what is best for the collective. Surely if you weren't, you would have been found defective and eaten at birth. But, sadly our government is a click of unporportioned magnitude that will destroy anything which threatens the integrity of any member, by exposure of unknown truths, or any embarrassing activity whatsoever. All in the name of this great nation to be faultless or at least non-accountable for any thing in certainty. So to say that they get paid to be the best bull***ters on the planet or suffer irreparable damage to the valued public image. Not to worry though before the incumbent Pres. takes over it is an unwritten policy, "free pardons for everyone." See you at the clubhouse next Tuesday. It is ran by lawbreakers and unfortunately they are also lawmakers. No matter what you pay they are loyal to the cause and surely know of their destruction if they don't mind. High powered government officials never make to jail, the poor house, or in afflicted regions of poverty, although they can create or remove them at will. They either die of old age or are assassinated, and surely their kids have no problems by gene pool comparison achieving nearly any goal or public office they choose. So the list of these so called qualified appointees this thread refer to are the lawyers who would not work for the salaries offered may be forced to deny appointments to satisfy the machine. If you have made the steps to achieve this honor then I'm sure you have made enough money to support your kids long enough to jump their careers off and enjoy what you have done your entire adult life. If not maybe you're not as smart as you need to be for the job anyway. I mean invest in something! How about us savings bonds!! Thank you and goodnight.
332 posted on 01/01/2007 12:22:56 PM PST by new2NV
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To: Texas_shutterbug; GovernmentShrinker
while getting paid enough to get by on.

That would be fine. But a couple hundred grand a year is not poverty-level, even in Washington, DC. Not even close.

333 posted on 01/01/2007 12:25:43 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Circumstances are the fire by which the mettle of men is tried.)
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To: Albion Wilde
"Looks like he economizes by getting his shirts folded after laundering instead of individually bagged on hangers."

Inspect that one for tags, because it looks like it just came out of a package from J C Penny...lol
334 posted on 01/01/2007 12:26:38 PM PST by Beagle8U
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To: El Gato

My nephew is an academy grad and lower grade officer. He gets a fourteen hundred dollar a month housing allowance if he lives off base, and free housing and utilities if he lives on base, not to mention dozens of other perks. I wonder what a general's housing allowance is?


335 posted on 01/01/2007 12:27:17 PM PST by Texas_shutterbug
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To: Earthdweller

...by force?
Alrighty then./s



It's understood that any amount of resistance to paying taxes will be exceeded by the collecting government. You refuse to pay and armed men willeventually show up. You pick up a gun they shoot. Or do you believe everyone just pays out of the goodness of their heart?


336 posted on 01/01/2007 12:27:25 PM PST by freedomfiter2
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To: freedomfiter2
They would have to be morons like George Washington.

In the entire history of the American Republic, from Lexington and Concord down to the present day, there has been exactly one George Washington. Hoping for a great, selfless man on a white horse isn't policy, it's lunacy.

In fact, if you read the Constitution, you'll read a very cynical document. The framers believed -- correctly -- that their descendents would be base, impure, power-hungry zealots and that's why they created a Bill of Rights and a Separation of Powers to check (somewhat) their influence.

We need to recognize that judicial nominees aren't going to be little George Washington and instead are either going to be well paid, competent professionals, or else ill-paid power-hungry ideologues. Given the choice, I'd prefer the former.

337 posted on 01/01/2007 12:27:58 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Alter Kaker

Instead of attracting selfless patriots, the system presently attracts middling power-hungry incompetents who are after power, not money. We'd get a lot more qualified judges if we were paying them 50% of private sector wages, not 10%.


If this is truely the problem then the solution is to take away power not to pay more.


338 posted on 01/01/2007 12:30:36 PM PST by freedomfiter2
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To: Texas_shutterbug
But someone who builds the cars and homes or golf courses should not be able to enjoy a life such as not just getting by. You would think that they would be decorated.Just for giving the honorable the means to have this type of lifestyle. I guess the peasants will scrape up the leftovers, and be happy with that. Mostly because that's more than they deserve to begin with. Good Point.
339 posted on 01/01/2007 12:33:36 PM PST by new2NV
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To: new2NV

A most entertaining post.


340 posted on 01/01/2007 12:34:14 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Circumstances are the fire by which the mettle of men is tried.)
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