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Roberts blasts inadequate pay for judges
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^ | December 31, 2006 | PETE YOST

Posted on 01/01/2007 7:26:14 AM PST by indcons

Pay for federal judges is so inadequate that it threatens to undermine the judiciary's independence, Chief Justice John Roberts says in a year-end report critical of Congress.

Issuing an eight-page message devoted exclusively to salaries, Roberts says the 678 full-time U.S. District Court judges, the backbone of the federal judiciary, are paid about half that of deans and senior law professors at top schools.

In the 1950s, 65 percent of U.S. District Court judges came from the practicing bar and 35 percent came from the public sector. Today the situation is reversed, Roberts said, with 60 percent from the public sector and less than 40 percent from private practice.

Federal district court judges are paid $165,200 annually; appeals court judges make $175,100; associate justices of the Supreme Court earn $203,000; the chief justice gets $212,100.

Thirty-eight judges have left the federal bench in the past six years and 17 in the past two years.

The issue of pay, says Roberts, "has now reached the level of a constitutional crisis."

"Inadequate compensation directly threatens the viability of life tenure, and if tenure in office is made uncertain, the strength and independence judges need to uphold the rule of law - even when it is unpopular to do so - will be seriously eroded," Roberts wrote.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: congress; govwatch; johnroberts; judgespay; judiciary; scotus; supremecourt
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To: Alter Kaker

"Many qualified candidates aren't wiling to take that pay cut."

Name 3.


301 posted on 01/01/2007 11:48:21 AM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: TWohlford
How about the cheapest hair cut?

I pay $5. After a little "training" it's become as good as any other haircut I've had, even at almost 3x the price. Did I mention that I get a shoulder and neck rub with the haircut? At her old shop, it was $7, but she undercut the competition, while retaining the quality. Maybe even improving it a bit, she now talks to me while she cuts my hair, which the barbers at her old shop did not seem to do as much.

302 posted on 01/01/2007 11:49:12 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: new2NV; AmishDude
"I'm glad you brought this up Amish Dude. Can someone tell me what the original 11th amendment to the constitution was?"

I can't recite the 11th amendment for you, sorry. I can say that you will get better response to questions if you ping the person you are asking.
303 posted on 01/01/2007 11:50:48 AM PST by Beagle8U
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To: ApplegateRanch
"There are some jobs that need to filled by people with concerns other than the pay. Judge is one of them."

So what do you want? You want a monk in the position? They don't require much. They are kind of weird though.

304 posted on 01/01/2007 11:53:36 AM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: Earthdweller
This would most definitely apply to the liberal sort. But I'm staying optimist that some people actually serve the country from a sense of duty and as a service to God.

I agree that some people actually serve from a sense of duty without regard to renumeration. But there are not nearly enough of them -- certainly there would be more noble people willing to serve their country if they only had to take a 50% pay cut instead of a 90% cut.

305 posted on 01/01/2007 11:56:09 AM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Texas_shutterbug

And quite frankly, we expect our judges to live a certain lifestyle - mind you - not the lifestyle of the rich and famous, but a rather nice, elegant lifestyle befitting of their position.


Fine, all you who expect our judges to live a certain lifestyle can take up a collection.


306 posted on 01/01/2007 11:56:48 AM PST by freedomfiter2
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To: L98Fiero
Name 3.

I think Justice Roberts would be better able to answer that question than I.

307 posted on 01/01/2007 11:57:54 AM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Alter Kaker
"....certainly there would be more noble people willing to serve their country if they only had to take a 50% pay cut instead of a 90% cut."

This is just good basic common sense.

308 posted on 01/01/2007 11:57:56 AM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: indcons

The man never was supreme court justice material and should have never been appointed.


309 posted on 01/01/2007 11:58:51 AM PST by hedgetrimmer (I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: Earthdweller
So what do you want? You want a monk in the position? They don't require much. They are kind of weird though.

Edging closer. Moonbeam Brown is the new Attorney General of California...He could still be driving a Duster.

310 posted on 01/01/2007 11:59:54 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: Earthdweller

If the guy wants to send his kids to school, we need to give him the means to do so.


Why should his kids get what ever they want from taxpayer dollars when it's taken by force from the taxpayers children?


311 posted on 01/01/2007 12:01:19 PM PST by freedomfiter2
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To: ApplegateRanch
If this doesn't kill the "we need to pay more to attract good candidates" argument, then nothing will. There are some jobs that need to filled by people with concerns other than the pay. Judge is one of them.

I think the proof is in the results. There isn't a major shortage of qualified general officers (I hope) with the existing pay structure. There is, however, a significant shortage of qualified conservative judicial nominees. There are many who have "concerns other than the pay;" however, as we can readily see from the results, that concern is almost always power.

I'd rather have a judge motivated by the pay than by a lust for power. How about yourself?

312 posted on 01/01/2007 12:02:23 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Well if they're in it for the money then they can always resign and go elsewhere.

Exactly.

313 posted on 01/01/2007 12:03:31 PM PST by Hacksaw (Frohe Weihnachten!)
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To: indcons

I'm told the reason they pay the military McDonalds wages is because you're suppose to volunteer to serve your country rather than the prospect of monetary compensation. Why shouldn't the same standard apply to judges? I just don't buy this argument that we need "great minds" who will leave the court if the sacks of gold aren't forthcoming, I don't think Americans want such minds interpreting their constitution.


314 posted on 01/01/2007 12:03:48 PM PST by grizzly84
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To: Beagle8U; new2NV
http://usgovinfo.about.com/blfirstbor.htm. One has to do with the technicalities of apportionment, the other is the 27th amendment, saying that pay increases (or decreases) for Congress have to take effect in the next Congressional session.
315 posted on 01/01/2007 12:04:31 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

>>It's funny how whenever these types of threads get posted, people from rural Alabama pop up to sarcastically say things like, "Yeah, they look real underpaid to me!" The point is that all of these judges must live in expensive cities and maintain lifestyles commensurate with their offices<<

I don't live in rural Alabama, and 100K is more than enough for all of them. If they don't like it, they can go elsewhere and actually work for a living.

I detest most Federal judges. The Article III judges by and large have a god-like complex. Outside of those that are incompetent, I've liked most Article I judges I've practiced in front of.

The judiciary is out of control. Raising judges' wages isn't something that would help.


316 posted on 01/01/2007 12:04:54 PM PST by 1L
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To: hedgetrimmer

I still want to know how many of those defending Roberts are lawyers.


317 posted on 01/01/2007 12:06:30 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Circumstances are the fire by which the mettle of men is tried.)
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To: freedomfiter2
...by force?

Alrighty then./s

I'm sure the folks in China are amused.

318 posted on 01/01/2007 12:06:31 PM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: 1L
I don't live in rural Alabama, and 100K is more than enough for all of them. If they don't like it, they can go elsewhere and actually work for a living.

They don't like it and they do go elsewhere where they actually earn a decent living. That's exactly why you don't get very many qualified, conservative judges -- because virtually the only people who will work for $100k / year who would otherwise be earning $1million per year in the private sector are those judges who are independently wealthy. And there are precious few of those. In the law, as with most things, you get what you pay for.

319 posted on 01/01/2007 12:12:40 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: indcons

If a pay increase would make the judges more intelligent, I would be all for it. Unfortunately, a pay increase just means stupid arrogant judges will be better paid.


320 posted on 01/01/2007 12:13:54 PM PST by Tall_Texan (NO McCain, Rudy, Romney, Hillary, Kerry, Obama or Gore in 2008!)
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