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Disillusioned Western Men Seek to "Thai" the Knot (Western Women Are Wrecks)
SAWF NEWS ^ | 12/23/2006 | Pornchai Kittiwondsakul

Posted on 12/23/2006 5:15:33 PM PST by Dallas59

BANGKOK (AFP) - "I could not find anybody in the States. There was nothing in America for me. That's why I'm here," says the clean-cut 52-year-old bachelor, who bears a passing resemblance to Hollywood actor Michael Douglas.

Sullivan, an emergency nurse from Florida, is one of a growing number of foreign men seeking young and beautiful Thai brides via the Internet.

Speaking at the Bangkok office of Sweet Singles, a Thai bride-by-Internet company, Sullivan says he has decided to "go beyond boundaries" in his search for a wife after a futile quest in the United States.

"American women in my age are, basically, a wreck. They are physically and emotionally beaten up from relationships and life. They are untrusting," says the well-built Sullivan, sporting a pink shirt and white pants.

"I think the feminist movement in America in the 60s really trashed American feminism. American women lack a certain femininity about them that women of other countries have," he laughs.

Sullivan contacted Sweet Singles six months ago and was introduced to Yoshita Tongsalee, an attractive 27-year-old teacher of traditional Thai dancing.

After corresponding with her via e-mails for three weeks, Sullivan decided to meet her and flew to Bangkok in early December.

"Just from e-mails, I knew she was the one. I just knew," says the American, his emerald earring dazzling.

"I find Thai women in general to be less self-centered and more family-centered than I find in western women," he says. The couple plans to marry next year.

John, a 43-year-old Briton who got married to a Thai woman four years ago via an Internet bride agency, also has grievances about western women.

"English women are very demanding and they expect you to be good-looking and have plenty of money and give them lots of attention. They drink a lot and they smoke a lot and they eat a lot," says John, who declined to give his last name.

"I am not very good at getting women anyway. I'm not the best-looking guy in the world. I'm quite short and it's very hard for me to find an English woman who is shorter than me," he says on the telephone from London.

Before marrying his Thai bride, John dated six British women, but his relationships with them were anything but happy.

"I'm just fed up with British women. They are not so loyal," he says.

When he met six Thai ladies in Bangkok via the Internet, including a 32-year-old business woman who later became his wife, John says he was struck by their kindness and family-centered values.

"I think Thai women are more loyal to their husbands. They are not just 'take, take take.' Also they have old-fashioned family values, which we used to have in this country," he says. John and his wife now have two young boys.

John and Marc declined to say how much they paid to get their Thai wives. Sweet Singles says it can charge a foreign man up to 1,700 dollars for a three-year membership to meet Thai ladies.

Some 10,000 foreign men have signed up with Sweet Singles over the last decade, and nearly half of them were previously divorced, says Bee, the company's customer service manager.

Some 80 percent of them get married to Thai women through the agency.

Americans account for 60 percent of the company's male clients, with the rest mostly from Australia, Britain, Germany and Scandinavian countries. Their average age ranges from 55 to 60.

Some 20,000 Thai women have also joined Sweet Singles, with their ages ranging from 20 to 40. The company charges a Thai woman 700 baht (20 dollars) for membership.

Bee, a petite 40-something, says Thai woman often have a favorable impression of foreigners.

"Many Thai girls were disappointed by Thai men who are famous for womanizing, drinking and gambling. Thai woman believe Caucasian men are more responsible and sincere and not playing around with other women," she says.

Thanitchaya Buaban, a striking 26-year-old beauty from Thailand's northern tourist spot of Chiang Mai, says she used to have a Thai boyfriend but he cheated on her many times.

"I was heart-broken. After I joined Sweet Singles, I started meeting foreigners and they were very kind and polite," she says at the firm's office.

Thanitchaya says she now has many American suitors who are trying to win her love with diamond rings and necklaces.

"I'm going to choose the best one," she says with a big smile.

For Sullivan's fiancee Yoshita, her experiences with Thai men were more traumatic.

"I was planning to marry my first Thai boyfriend, but he did not show up on our wedding day. He embarrassed me and my family," Yoshita says. "My second boyfriend cheated on me and impregnated another woman."

But Yoshita, who wears a golden heart necklace, says she is looking forward to living in Florida with the man of her dreams -- even if she still refers to him by his last name.

"I believe Mr Sullivan is a gift from God. He is really a good man and respects me. Every day I pray and thank Buddha for giving me Mr Sullivan," she says.

Sullivan nodded and held her hand.

"I have to step outside my own culture to find someone with whom I am compatible. I am not narrow-minded in that regard," he smiles.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: asianbrides; dating; mailorderbrides; marriage; sexes; single; thailand
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To: cammie
There where many posts that hit the nail on the head but you are missing the point. You really are missing the point. I used to believe in empowerment for women and that they are equal and all that.

I was so wrong, it took me years to understand my mistakes. I doubt it will hit you over the head but there are a few posts here that do hit the nail on the head but they would only be understood by someone that aleady gets it.

The key word to understand is “trust.” As most understand you can not truly love someone without trust (this is a given.) The man is the protector of our species (this is a given.) An empowered woman or a woman that is ‘equal’ by definition is not giving her trust to her man.

421 posted on 12/23/2006 9:10:41 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* ?I love you guys?)
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To: BookmanTheJanitor

The link I mean LOL


422 posted on 12/23/2006 9:11:32 PM PST by Dov in Houston (Hmmmm....)
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To: Dallas59

Hey, some men aren't such great treasures either. If she think Thai men cheat, she should meet some of the husbands I know...LOL.


423 posted on 12/23/2006 9:11:35 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: baa39

'Fraid so.

Or as Capt. Willey used to say "You victim of the California state educational system, we have a ____ rule here..."


424 posted on 12/23/2006 9:12:10 PM PST by null and void (Propaganda doesn't have to make sense. Hell, it often works better if it doesn't.)
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To: killjoy

NEVER mess with a Thai.

And NEVER ever speak ill of the king.

Folks have no idea...


425 posted on 12/23/2006 9:12:18 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Pro Evolution, Pro Stem Cell Research, Pro Science, Pro Free Thought, and Conservative)
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To: aft_lizard

I know an Indian couple whose marriage was arranged. They've been married around 30 years or more and are very happy and love each other. I couldn't say whether that's just dumb luck, different culture, or what. But it's true that the success rate of American marriages based on "love" isn't very high.


426 posted on 12/23/2006 9:12:32 PM PST by Sam Cree (don't mix alcopops and ufo's - absolute reality)
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To: pepsionice

Just a personal observation, but I'd be really uncomfortable with a husband who always dropped me off at a class and then always picked me up after.

It seems childlike, first, and also would signal to me a lack of trust. If I couldn't have a relationship in which I was trusted enough to go to class and get back on my own, I would feel stifled in that relationship. Maybe that's one of the big differences here. Asian women don't feel stifled and belittled by that. I think most American women would.


427 posted on 12/23/2006 9:12:55 PM PST by cammie
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To: Marysecretary

All Thai men cheat, but its part of the culture for a married Thai male to seek out a prostitute once or twice a month.


428 posted on 12/23/2006 9:13:37 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Pro Evolution, Pro Stem Cell Research, Pro Science, Pro Free Thought, and Conservative)
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To: Sam Cree

I think alot of it has to do with religious belief levels of the people getting married. You have to believe its right to make it work.

I didnt mean to make it sound like its a common accurence though. Most of them in the community I was in married a local girl they had known for years, but there had come up a couple of times that one oddball who didnt find that girl.


429 posted on 12/23/2006 9:14:42 PM PST by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: cammie
You need a woman to do that for you...LOL>

She can't very well wrap her own! Besides, I wanna see the glow on her face when she unwraps that brand-new broom and dust pan!

430 posted on 12/23/2006 9:15:26 PM PST by Cogadh na Sith (There's an open road from the cradle to the tomb.)
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To: Sam Cree
Indian arranged marriages have a very high success rate.

Its like this: low expectations are easily met.

Contrast to the American princess that fantasizes all her life about her wedding and what a show it will be, but doesn't think about life after the party.
431 posted on 12/23/2006 9:15:45 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Pro Evolution, Pro Stem Cell Research, Pro Science, Pro Free Thought, and Conservative)
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To: cammie
4. As an American Woman, one look at an ER nurse in a pink shirt, white pants, and an emerald earring, and all I'd be thinking is GAY GAY GAY.

What if the ER nurse with the pink shirt wants grandchildren for his mother?

An American woman might object to being used in a loveless marriage as a social prop and baby maker for a Gay man.

I can see the ads for Gay Magazines: Give Mom the Grandchild she's always wanted - fool the uptight boss, and and live the good life with an unpaid maid and cook... Call now for ThaiBride - your ticket to the good life.

432 posted on 12/23/2006 9:16:28 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: aft_lizard

"Arranged" marriages around here are rare as hens teeth. I am not familiar with the way the Mennonites in your neck of the woods operate. There is, of course, a difference between Amish and Mennonite. Just as each sect has differing customs. As fast as this area has grown, both Amish and Mennonite have adapted and flourished within the constraints of Scripture and allowable uses of technology. Marrying time is about over, but not once have I heard from anyone about a desperate suitor or needing to be driven hundreds of miles for a spouse.


433 posted on 12/23/2006 9:16:34 PM PST by Thumper1960 (Unleash the Dogs of War as a Minority, or perish as a party.)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Well, we seriously disagree. Men and women, once they form a lasting relationship, have to trust each other. It's not a one-way street of women putting their trust in men. So I don't see any tip in the equality argument there.

If you say that women must trust men and men don't have to trust women, I say hogwash.


434 posted on 12/23/2006 9:16:49 PM PST by cammie
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To: Cogadh na Sith

LOL...not even a Swiffer? You are a difficult man.


435 posted on 12/23/2006 9:17:56 PM PST by cammie
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To: Thumper1960
You're saying Thai women have the ability to maneuver within the relationship, an art that Western women lost?

Well, I wouldn't use the word "maneuver". Let's just say my wife gets her way a lot more than I get mine when there is a difference of opinion on how to do things, and it comes about without confrontation or arguments or bad feelings or the feeling that one person is dominating the other. I guess I don't know exactly how it happens but believe me, Thai women are not passive but do know how to get their way.

436 posted on 12/23/2006 9:20:18 PM PST by Northern Alliance
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To: Jack Black
An unmarried man having sex with a married woman is not committing adultery.

Not so. Anyone who engages in voluntary act of sexual intercourse involving a married person and someone other than his or her spouse is an adulterer. This standard definition is completely independent of which party is married or whether they even know the other person is married.

437 posted on 12/23/2006 9:20:26 PM PST by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Central Scrutiniser

"And NEVER ever speak ill of the king."

Yeah, I remember Yul Brenner in that role, pretty tough guy, and a mean waltzer to boot.


438 posted on 12/23/2006 9:20:35 PM PST by baa39
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To: cammie
”It's not a one-way street of women putting their trust in men.”

When it comes to protection. Yes it is.

439 posted on 12/23/2006 9:20:52 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* ?I love you guys?)
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To: baa39

Speak ill of the king in Thailand, and you will have a heel to your teeth, followed by much shots to the head.

Its almost cult like.


440 posted on 12/23/2006 9:22:09 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Pro Evolution, Pro Stem Cell Research, Pro Science, Pro Free Thought, and Conservative)
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