Posted on 12/22/2006 2:29:22 PM PST by LdSentinal
ALBANY - Thousands of people left New York for other parts of the country last year, making it one of only three states that failed to grow since 2005, according to census estimates released Friday.
New York's estimated population on July 1 was 19.3 million, a drop of 9,538 from a year earlier, the U.S. Census Bureau reported. That drop is minuscule - 0.0005 percent - and based on estimates rather than an actual count. But census demographers say it shows New York's population remained virtually unchanged over the year.
New York and other Northeast states have suffered for years as residents - often young people just out of college - head to the Southwest and other high-growth areas.
The new estimates provide evidence that is still happening: 255,766 more people moved out of New York to other states than into the state between 2005 and 2006. Part of that exodus can be attributed to immigrants who came into the country through New York City and then moved on, often to areas with a lower cost of living.
But Robert Ward of the Business Council of New York State said it can be partly attributed to people heading to Texas and other states that are growing jobs at a faster rate.
“People are moving elsewhere in search of opportunities that they're not finding in New York,” Ward said.
The Census did not provide geographic breakdowns Friday. But population losses and jobs have been particular problems in upstate New York. Gov.-elect Eliot Spitzer has promised to place the upstate economy high on his agenda after he takes office Jan. 1.
The only other states to post population losses were Katrina-ravaged Louisiana, Michigan and Rhode Island. The District of Columbia also lost people. New York's neighbors all recorded growth under 1 percent.
The Census reported that the Northeast grew by 62,000 people.
E.J. McMahon, director of the fiscally conservative Empire Center for New York State Policy, said that other Northeast states did not lose people at the same rate as New York. He said New York and other states that lost people quickly tended to have high living costs (like downstate) and sluggish economies (like upstate).
McMahon said those problems can be addressed through policies to spur economic growth, like lower taxes and fewer mandates in New York.
“You can't say 'We can't because it's cold and old,' because there are other cold and old places that are not shrinking like New York state.”
People are leaving Upstate NY, not NYC. Although
HRHeinous promised 200,000 jobs, none materialized.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
I'm not so sure about that. We may pick it up from past growth if such a census occurs soon, otherwise it may show a loss. Insurance increases and disproportionate taxation on property values may start to wear at the Florida market. Even if they can buy homes with cash, they won't want to go without homeowner's coverage and taxes are very high down here now. Florida is no longer a cheap retirement destination, unless you don't have to worry about money at all and can keep up with major price increases. Fix incomers relying on Social Security need not apply.
Thank Heaven for the moritorium against > 3% property tax increases for residents. Otherwise half the state would have been taxed out of their homes. Anyone else buying into the market now needs to prepare for the pain...
In the cases you describe, it could be said to cut both ways, but the fact is that the demographic shift is coming south and west. I can't think of anyone, besides some very clearly defined whack jobs such as you mention, voluntarily moving to places like Illinois.
Oh, I like that. New tag line (slightly modified)
New York had abortion long before Roe vs Wade.
Absoluetly, and those folks are very, very welcome. However, the ones who demand more services seem to be moving here in far greater number. Example: California and a lot of north easterners have managed to turn Arizona from red to dark purple and I fear the day we turn blue.
Are they going to roll them back, now the values are dropping? I don't expect they will over here.
Given the choice of the two, it would be White Mountain area.
Good!
Hopefully leaving their liberalism there. Here, actuaally, as I am less than 10 miles from Yale.
You definintely have a point there. The best pizza places in Texas are generally owned by NY immigrants. Although Chicago's got some good pizza too.
Have you tried Campisi's down here? Used to be a mob front but the pizza is awesome.
"NY style thin crust pizza joint
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I just laugh and grimace when I see signs for "Philly" cheese steak out here in my red state. I know it will be awful.
There is NO good pizza here, no matter what the name is on the door.
Where are these libs going?
When I was a child in the mid seventies, me and my brother aged 5 and 7, would get 50 cents each from our grandma and go downstairs and walk along Ditmars Blvd. We would pass the Greek social club, where men sipped their espresso- and played cards in the back. Everyone knew we were Vera's kids. We would pass the Deli and the Bakery and go to Charlie's Candy store where candy was just 20 cents. With our candy we would continue around the corner and wave to Zia Melina (Aunt Milly) who was always at her window. We would short cut through the alley and pass the same 3 barking dogs till we got to my aunt Connie and Uncle mike's Back door.
Can you imagine letting children go on that journey today?
We were never out of the sight of caring neighbors who knew who we were.
The building was put up for sale last month. My grandparents have since passed. Aunt Connie lives in Massapequa now. Even Massapequa now looks like NYC without mass transit- No one knows their nieghbors. People pull in their driveways without a wave or a nod. The for sale signs on the lawns- now moved by others, tell the story.
It was a simpler time back then and a better time to be a child. The greatest generation was enjoying their new found retirement and prosperity.
And now it is starting and will get worse.Guess who will gain in the electoral count? Say it with me now,the SOUTH.The people I meet people who now live in georgia say they are tired of the winters and the liberal nonsense that goes on up in the northeast.To this I say welcome fellow conservatives.To libs I say well you know what I say.
Im glad that conservative northerners move to the south. Let the libs just tax each other till their broke.LOL
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