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1 posted on 12/17/2006 1:52:54 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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N.Korea has always been a sock puppet of china.

For these rumblings of war to emerge is now perfectly in line with china's playbook to expand into the Koreas' and 'stabilize' the situation while annexing the north while poising to take the south.

2 posted on 12/17/2006 1:58:37 PM PST by prophetic
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360,000 soldiers, mainly volunteers, died during the Korean war 53 years ago

Volunteers? Right!

Just like Stalin's Zeks were "volunteers"!

3 posted on 12/17/2006 2:00:02 PM PST by Gritty (The United States is under siege and not just by terrorists - Jonathan McClendon)
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One needs to ask, quite seriously, why would China want a nuclear maniac at its border? All common sense says, they don't. Maybe, it is time to let China deal with this "situation."


4 posted on 12/17/2006 2:03:35 PM PST by Continental Soldier
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MI ping


5 posted on 12/17/2006 2:04:12 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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....The extent of that alienation has been revealed in essays by China's leading strategic thinkers....

"Hegemony? We don't need no steenkin hegemony!!" Kim Jong-il


.....since nuclear weapons are regarded as a symbol of national strength......

"Strength through Starvation". Kim Jong-il


6 posted on 12/17/2006 2:06:51 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. Rozerem commercials give me nightmares)
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That's an interesting twist on the NK problem.


8 posted on 12/17/2006 2:18:41 PM PST by expatpat
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China's real strategic problem with respect to the proliferation of nuclear weapons is very simple - anything the North Koreans can do the Taiwanese can do better. And may well be doing as we speak. This was definitely not a step in the right direction for Chinese regional geopolitics.

It would really be interesting should the Taiwanese decide to purchase the necessary materials from the North Koreans. Don't think the Chinese haven't thought of it.

11 posted on 12/17/2006 2:25:08 PM PST by Billthedrill
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...on whose behalf 360,000 soldiers,

Probably way under counted given the modern firepower they were herded into in Chinese "mass attack" strategies. Most veterans talk about about killing thousands in single engagements.

13 posted on 12/17/2006 2:31:57 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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Not one US servicepersons toe should
be put at risk of being stubbed to
save the evil regime of Kim Jong Il.


15 posted on 12/17/2006 2:33:13 PM PST by NickatNite2003 (From the Man from Hope" to the wife who snarls "Abandon All Hope!")
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"Bitterness in Beijing over North Korea's betrayal may mean war"

Subheading that accidentally got deleted: Winged Pigs May Sighted

18 posted on 12/17/2006 2:46:59 PM PST by cake_crumb (When "bipartisan study groups" try to prosecute wars, you get Viet Nam)
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"The bitter sense of betrayal felt in China about its communist neighbour,..."

Is this meant to make us believe that China is a free country?

"...on whose behalf 360,000 soldiers, mainly volunteers, died during the Korean war 53 years ago"

Sure. They were given a choice to join the People's Army or face a firing squad, so I guess they could be called "volunteers".

On the one hand we have communist China, where human life is so cheap that the citizens' body parts are worth more to the regime than citizens are, home to mass executions, constant and mysterious disappearances and retroactive abortion. A military megalith in terms of numbers.

On the other hand we have communist DPRNK, where human life is so cheap the citizens are worth more to the government as fertilizer than as farmers, home to mass executions and constant and mysterious disappearances as far away as Japan. Flyspeck on Earth's arse and militarily insignificant without China, satellite of China....

We're supposed to WORRY for some reason?

22 posted on 12/17/2006 3:07:24 PM PST by cake_crumb (When "bipartisan study groups" try to prosecute wars, you get Viet Nam)
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Hey JET bet Chia Pet won't be so roaney or crying for attention if Chinese declared war on him


27 posted on 12/17/2006 3:24:16 PM PST by SevenofNine ("Step aside Jefe"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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Are we real sure what we are seeing here?

"These essays, in a special publication by the Washington-based World Security Institute..."

28 posted on 12/17/2006 3:27:30 PM PST by norton
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It's the whole face-saving thing. The Midgit That Roared is a huge public embarressment for them. The nuke test was probably the straw that broke the camel's back. I say let them take care of Chia Head.


30 posted on 12/17/2006 3:42:17 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (Common sense will do to liberalism what the atomic bomb did to Nagasaki-Rush Limbaugh)
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B.S. NK is a proxy of China. Why are there so many stupid people no this earth?


32 posted on 12/17/2006 3:58:28 PM PST by gedeon3
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When the Chinese stop trading oil, food and other itmes with the Norks, then we'll know they are pissed off. Otherwise, expect good cop, bad cop from China and NK. So it will run something like this - China takes over in Norkland, or supports some general who dumps Kim, then President PIAPS is so grateful, that she sells out Taiwan, or some such.


33 posted on 12/17/2006 4:07:07 PM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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China could play a gambit in which they have a major victory:

Conquering North Korea.

To start with, China advises the US that it intends a blitzkrieg conquest of NK to secure its nuclear weapons and to regime change to a stable (puppet) government. This is so the US does not panic. Assurances are also made that once this is done, China will depart quickly.

China does quickly invade, and gets the surrender of the NK army quickly with the help of some of their top generals. A military junta is put in place with the orders to begin reunification talks immediately. Food flows to the North Korean people. North Koreans stop flooding into China as illegal aliens.

One condition only, that once Korea is unified, US forces leave the peninsula, with the exception of the naval base at Pusan. Korea wouldn't mind, and the US would probably not mind either as long as China was behaving itself.

What China gets out of this is first, a major new trading partner worth many billions every year, that is also their best buddy in the whole world. China is not threatened by their democracy, because they do things "the Chinese way", so they will be much like Hong Kong.

China also gets the US off their doorstep, and even looks like a good guy to Taiwan. Taiwan, Japan, and SKor no longer feel any need to go nuclear.

All told, China gets a load of policy victories, gets rid of an annoying pest, makes a ton of money, soothes the other SE Asian nations, and generally looks like a good guy.


34 posted on 12/17/2006 4:08:07 PM PST by Popocatapetl
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"If China continues its ambiguous policies on the North Korean nuclear issue...will encourage Japan to become nuclearised."

I knew I'd find this in the article when I clicked on it. NK provides Japan the excuse it needs to depacify, and thus able to stand up to China. A robust Japan must be the ultimate bad for China.

I attended a talk with former Clintonista SecDef William Perry, who opined it would be terrible if Japan militarized. Obviously, this means it would be terrific.

35 posted on 12/17/2006 4:21:32 PM PST by Plutarch
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"Mr Zhu says that while Beijing's support of UN resolutions against Pyongyang's nuclear testing is seen in North Korea as "an act of treachery by its socialist big brother", when the test happened, "in Beijing, ire turned into fury. It was no less than a slap in China's face"."

So what. China is just a paper dragon.

36 posted on 12/17/2006 4:23:02 PM PST by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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Ping for Tiger.

Very good post, Jet. I think that TigerLikesRooster is the most up to speed posting Freeper on this subject. Knows his Korea region geopolitics.


43 posted on 12/17/2006 6:10:55 PM PST by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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