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Two felony assault convictions and the question is whether a BB gun is a firearm. I don't see any fire, just a potential weapon. This might get interesting.

Type of rifle that killed girl ID'd by police But there should be no excuse for premeditated muder.

1 posted on 12/15/2006 11:50:20 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

If a BB gun is a firearm under the law, that has far-reaching consequences beyond just this case. The courts should think long and hard about that, since it's totally bogus and unfair to have "firearm" mean different things in different situations.


2 posted on 12/15/2006 11:54:38 PM PST by sourcery
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To: neverdem

"You'll put yer eye out, and go to jail, too, kid..."


3 posted on 12/15/2006 11:56:57 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (Common sense will do to liberalism what the atomic bomb did to Nagasaki-Rush Limbaugh)
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To: neverdem

Well they can't say it's a firearm that would mean it has to be treated and sold like a real gun.


4 posted on 12/15/2006 11:57:06 PM PST by miliantnutcase ("If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it." -ichabod1)
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Pure nonsense. There is no fire, so there is no firearm.

Slingshots will be next.

5 posted on 12/15/2006 11:59:18 PM PST by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: neverdem

Would a bow and arrow be considered a "firearm"? A crossbow?


6 posted on 12/16/2006 12:01:16 AM PST by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now courtesy of Islam.)
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"Ramsey County prosecutors decided Fleming was splitting hairs and charged him with unlawful possession of a firearm. ...

"The appellate court reinstated the charge against Fleming, finding that a firearm is "any gun from which a shot or a projectile is discharged by means of explosive, gas or compressed air."

Tha Appelate court has no grounds in the law to do this. I'm sure the MN legislaturre doesn't classify bb guns as a firearm and neither do the feds. stinkin' liberals!

7 posted on 12/16/2006 12:04:45 AM PST by spunkets
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The appellate court reinstated the charge against Fleming, finding that a firearm is "any gun from which a shot or a projectile is discharged by means of explosive, gas or compressed air."

spitballs!

10 posted on 12/16/2006 12:22:30 AM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: neverdem

PUT OUT AN APB ON THIS BB GUN WIELDING THUG!!!!
14 posted on 12/16/2006 1:43:52 AM PST by kb2614 (Hell hath no fury than a bureaucrat scorned)
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To: neverdem

What FIRE is there in a BB gun?
Some libs are nuts - kicking kids out of school for drawing pictures of a gun.


21 posted on 12/16/2006 3:40:55 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism = brain cell deficiency)
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Residents of New Jersey can buy bb guns through a designated local gun store after acquiring an Airgun Permit.
Cite from New Jersey law: "A 'firearm' means any handgun, rifle, shotgun, air gun, gas gun, machine gun, or 'any gun'."


23 posted on 12/16/2006 4:09:24 AM PST by mirkwood (Gun control isn't about guns. It's about control.)
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To: neverdem

Would a squirt gun fall under the judge's definition? Or do I have to be a lawyer to make that connection?


26 posted on 12/16/2006 4:14:13 AM PST by Bernard ("Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for." Will Rogers)
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To: neverdem

If (Big IF) the article is right, the court ruled properly, based on the definition provided by an idiot legislature.
We are usually the first to say that courts should follow the law not make it. It looks like this time they did; eh!


28 posted on 12/16/2006 4:17:18 AM PST by Steamburg (If we don't want our nation bad enough to protect it, it won't be ours long.)
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But there should be no excuse for premeditated muder.

Really? How long you been married?

Just kidding, honey. (in case my wife sees this)

29 posted on 12/16/2006 4:19:24 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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What part of FIRE is hard to comprehend?


34 posted on 12/16/2006 5:20:46 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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Now if it had been a CAP pistol; then FRY his a$$!

(Lots of FIRE in one of THEM babies!!!)


35 posted on 12/16/2006 5:21:45 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: neverdem

No surprise here. There are a lot of unfortunate souls in MN. who just don't get it. It must be the water...ie, lesbian fire chief of a major city, they elect an Islamist to Congress, the disruptive Immans on the plane out of Minneapolis and on and on. Wake up Minny!


39 posted on 12/16/2006 5:29:00 AM PST by KenmcG414
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To: neverdem

I hear baseballs are awfully dangerous too.


40 posted on 12/16/2006 5:30:08 AM PST by Porterville (Fight without rules. Fight until only one side stands.)
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I suspect this is really VERY BAD reporting.

The probation convict was carrying an object as a weapon.

It would be no different if he used his automobile as a weapon.


42 posted on 12/16/2006 5:33:09 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: neverdem

Reading this thread elsewhere the topic of 'caliber' was introduced with a differentiation firearm/not at 0.18 caliber. I remember with pleasure my .17 caliber Remington that shot a 0.173 inch bullet at 5050 fps. A BB is .177 caliber.

As I read the article I suspected that somewhere a .17 HMR pistol would not 'legally' be a firearm.

Remember, "the law is an ass."


44 posted on 12/16/2006 5:46:25 AM PST by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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we cannot constitutionally deter any individual's right to bear arms... shall not be infringed means just that...

if one has demonstrated through felonious behaviour, he cannot play nice, twice, then we should keep him separated from society for longer periods of his lifetime.

teeman


45 posted on 12/16/2006 5:48:38 AM PST by teeman8r
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