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Minnesota court rules BB gun is a firearm
St. Paul Pioneer Press ^
| SHANNON PRATHER
Posted on 12/15/2006 11:50:17 PM PST by neverdem
A convicted felon barred from carrying a firearm broke the law when he started toting a BB gun, the Minnesota Court of Appeals has ruled.
John Fleming Jr. couldn't legally carry a gun because of two felony assault convictions, so he packed a BB gun instead.
Ramsey County prosecutors decided Fleming was splitting hairs and charged him with unlawful possession of a firearm.
Fleming won when a Ramsey County District judge threw out the charge, ruling the statute doesn't apply to BB guns. But the appeals court ruled prosecutors could again take aim at the two-time felon.
The appellate court reinstated the charge against Fleming, finding that a firearm is "any gun from which a shot or a projectile is discharged by means of explosive, gas or compressed air."
Fleming is accused of carrying a black metal BB gun that discharges a pellet by means of a CO2 cartridge.
TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: 2stupid4words; banglist; bbguns; firearm; stupidjudges
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To: neverdem
What FIRE is there in a BB gun?
Some libs are nuts - kicking kids out of school for drawing pictures of a gun.
To: rawcatslyentist
Nice tag-line!
I've been there. ... and not as part of the confederacy.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
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posted on
12/16/2006 3:54:03 AM PST
by
ME-262
(The Democrat party is slowly reduced by Abortion, AIDS, Imprisonment, and China's one child policy.)
To: neverdem
Residents of New Jersey can buy bb guns through a designated local gun store after acquiring an Airgun Permit.
Cite from New Jersey law: "A 'firearm' means any handgun, rifle, shotgun, air gun, gas gun, machine gun, or 'any gun'."
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posted on
12/16/2006 4:09:24 AM PST
by
mirkwood
(Gun control isn't about guns. It's about control.)
To: Manic_Episode
Here in NY, slingshots with wrist braces are illegal. Of course, it is NY.
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posted on
12/16/2006 4:10:13 AM PST
by
GnL
To: sourcery
The courts should think long and hard about that, since it's totally bogus and unfair to have "firearm" mean different things in different situations. Actually it is totally valid and fair...if you are the judge.
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posted on
12/16/2006 4:11:53 AM PST
by
GnL
To: neverdem
Would a squirt gun fall under the judge's definition? Or do I have to be a lawyer to make that connection?
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posted on
12/16/2006 4:14:13 AM PST
by
Bernard
("Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for." Will Rogers)
To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged; Joe Brower
Some libs are nuts - kicking kids out of school for drawing pictures of a gun.
Please, for the love of God, tell me you're kidding.
RKBA ping to Joe.
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posted on
12/16/2006 4:16:28 AM PST
by
proud_yank
(Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
To: neverdem
If (Big IF) the article is right, the court ruled properly, based on the definition provided by an idiot legislature.
We are usually the first to say that courts should follow the law not make it. It looks like this time they did; eh!
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posted on
12/16/2006 4:17:18 AM PST
by
Steamburg
(If we don't want our nation bad enough to protect it, it won't be ours long.)
To: neverdem
But there should be no excuse for premeditated muder.Really? How long you been married?
Just kidding, honey. (in case my wife sees this)
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posted on
12/16/2006 4:19:24 AM PST
by
metesky
("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
To: sourcery
The courts should think long and hard about that, since it's totally bogus and unfair to have "firearm" mean different things in different situations.Oh, I think that the courts have thought long and hard about this. Their conclusion is that the more "stuff" they can fit under the umbrella of 'firearm', the more stuff they can ban when given the chance.
There's plenty of liberal judges that prefer to circumvent the constitution in favor of being more like Europe. And removing all potential weapons from the hands of the subjects (er... people) is decidedly European these days.
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posted on
12/16/2006 4:20:33 AM PST
by
meyer
(Bring back the Contract with America and you'll bring back the Republican majority.)
To: ME-262
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posted on
12/16/2006 4:22:40 AM PST
by
metesky
("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
To: metesky
Looks dangerous!
Too much like a knife!
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posted on
12/16/2006 4:43:12 AM PST
by
ME-262
(The Democrat party is slowly reduced by Abortion, AIDS, Imprisonment, and China's one child policy.)
To: metesky
Spork!
Pure Genius!!! Love it!
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posted on
12/16/2006 4:45:45 AM PST
by
stevie_d_64
(Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
To: neverdem
What part of FIRE is hard to comprehend?
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posted on
12/16/2006 5:20:46 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: neverdem
Now if it had been a CAP pistol; then FRY his a$$!
(Lots of FIRE in one of THEM babies!!!)
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posted on
12/16/2006 5:21:45 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: sourcery
The courts should think long and hard about that, since it's totally bogus and unfair to have "firearm" mean different things in different situations.Oh YEAH!!??
Tell that to the Mad Hatter!!
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posted on
12/16/2006 5:24:16 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: Manic_Episode; garyhope
" . . . a firearm is "any gun from which a shot or a projectile is discharged by means of explosive, gas or compressed air." It depends on how they defined it in the state laws. New Jersey also defines an air rifle as a firearm. A couple of other states classify air guns as firearms. I can't remember which ones did it. Safe guesses: Massachusetts, Wisconsin, Illinois.
New Jersey also illegalized sling shots, but it's a separate law.
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posted on
12/16/2006 5:25:30 AM PST
by
sig226
(See my profile for the democrat culture of corruption list.)
To: proud_yank
Please, for the love of God, tell me you're kidding.Sorry Mate!
http://net127.com/2001/04/01/fourth-grader-suspended-for-gun-drawing/
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posted on
12/16/2006 5:27:18 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: neverdem
No surprise here. There are a lot of unfortunate souls in MN. who just don't get it. It must be the water...ie, lesbian fire chief of a major city, they elect an Islamist to Congress, the disruptive Immans on the plane out of Minneapolis and on and on. Wake up Minny!
To: neverdem
I hear baseballs are awfully dangerous too.
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posted on
12/16/2006 5:30:08 AM PST
by
Porterville
(Fight without rules. Fight until only one side stands.)
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