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Minnesota court rules BB gun is a firearm
St. Paul Pioneer Press ^ | SHANNON PRATHER

Posted on 12/15/2006 11:50:17 PM PST by neverdem

A convicted felon barred from carrying a firearm broke the law when he started toting a BB gun, the Minnesota Court of Appeals has ruled.

John Fleming Jr. couldn't legally carry a gun because of two felony assault convictions, so he packed a BB gun instead.

Ramsey County prosecutors decided Fleming was splitting hairs and charged him with unlawful possession of a firearm.

Fleming won when a Ramsey County District judge threw out the charge, ruling the statute doesn't apply to BB guns. But the appeals court ruled prosecutors could again take aim at the two-time felon.

The appellate court reinstated the charge against Fleming, finding that a firearm is "any gun from which a shot or a projectile is discharged by means of explosive, gas or compressed air."

Fleming is accused of carrying a black metal BB gun that discharges a pellet by means of a CO2 cartridge.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: 2stupid4words; banglist; bbguns; firearm; stupidjudges
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To: neverdem

What FIRE is there in a BB gun?
Some libs are nuts - kicking kids out of school for drawing pictures of a gun.


21 posted on 12/16/2006 3:40:55 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism = brain cell deficiency)
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To: rawcatslyentist
Nice tag-line!
I've been there. ... and not as part of the confederacy.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
22 posted on 12/16/2006 3:54:03 AM PST by ME-262 (The Democrat party is slowly reduced by Abortion, AIDS, Imprisonment, and China's one child policy.)
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To: neverdem

Residents of New Jersey can buy bb guns through a designated local gun store after acquiring an Airgun Permit.
Cite from New Jersey law: "A 'firearm' means any handgun, rifle, shotgun, air gun, gas gun, machine gun, or 'any gun'."


23 posted on 12/16/2006 4:09:24 AM PST by mirkwood (Gun control isn't about guns. It's about control.)
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To: Manic_Episode

Here in NY, slingshots with wrist braces are illegal. Of course, it is NY.


24 posted on 12/16/2006 4:10:13 AM PST by GnL
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To: sourcery
The courts should think long and hard about that, since it's totally bogus and unfair to have "firearm" mean different things in different situations.

Actually it is totally valid and fair...if you are the judge.

25 posted on 12/16/2006 4:11:53 AM PST by GnL
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To: neverdem

Would a squirt gun fall under the judge's definition? Or do I have to be a lawyer to make that connection?


26 posted on 12/16/2006 4:14:13 AM PST by Bernard ("Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for." Will Rogers)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged; Joe Brower
Some libs are nuts - kicking kids out of school for drawing pictures of a gun.

Please, for the love of God, tell me you're kidding.

RKBA ping to Joe.
27 posted on 12/16/2006 4:16:28 AM PST by proud_yank (Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
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To: neverdem

If (Big IF) the article is right, the court ruled properly, based on the definition provided by an idiot legislature.
We are usually the first to say that courts should follow the law not make it. It looks like this time they did; eh!


28 posted on 12/16/2006 4:17:18 AM PST by Steamburg (If we don't want our nation bad enough to protect it, it won't be ours long.)
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To: neverdem
But there should be no excuse for premeditated muder.

Really? How long you been married?

Just kidding, honey. (in case my wife sees this)

29 posted on 12/16/2006 4:19:24 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: sourcery
The courts should think long and hard about that, since it's totally bogus and unfair to have "firearm" mean different things in different situations.

Oh, I think that the courts have thought long and hard about this. Their conclusion is that the more "stuff" they can fit under the umbrella of 'firearm', the more stuff they can ban when given the chance.

There's plenty of liberal judges that prefer to circumvent the constitution in favor of being more like Europe. And removing all potential weapons from the hands of the subjects (er... people) is decidedly European these days.

30 posted on 12/16/2006 4:20:33 AM PST by meyer (Bring back the Contract with America and you'll bring back the Republican majority.)
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To: ME-262

31 posted on 12/16/2006 4:22:40 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: metesky
Looks dangerous!
Too much like a knife!
32 posted on 12/16/2006 4:43:12 AM PST by ME-262 (The Democrat party is slowly reduced by Abortion, AIDS, Imprisonment, and China's one child policy.)
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To: metesky

Spork!

Pure Genius!!! Love it!


33 posted on 12/16/2006 4:45:45 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: neverdem

What part of FIRE is hard to comprehend?


34 posted on 12/16/2006 5:20:46 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: neverdem

Now if it had been a CAP pistol; then FRY his a$$!

(Lots of FIRE in one of THEM babies!!!)


35 posted on 12/16/2006 5:21:45 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: sourcery
The courts should think long and hard about that, since it's totally bogus and unfair to have "firearm" mean different things in different situations.

Oh YEAH!!??

Tell that to the Mad Hatter!!

36 posted on 12/16/2006 5:24:16 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Manic_Episode; garyhope
" . . . a firearm is "any gun from which a shot or a projectile is discharged by means of explosive, gas or compressed air."

It depends on how they defined it in the state laws. New Jersey also defines an air rifle as a firearm. A couple of other states classify air guns as firearms. I can't remember which ones did it. Safe guesses: Massachusetts, Wisconsin, Illinois.

New Jersey also illegalized sling shots, but it's a separate law.

37 posted on 12/16/2006 5:25:30 AM PST by sig226 (See my profile for the democrat culture of corruption list.)
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To: proud_yank
Please, for the love of God, tell me you're kidding.

Sorry Mate!

http://net127.com/2001/04/01/fourth-grader-suspended-for-gun-drawing/

38 posted on 12/16/2006 5:27:18 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: neverdem

No surprise here. There are a lot of unfortunate souls in MN. who just don't get it. It must be the water...ie, lesbian fire chief of a major city, they elect an Islamist to Congress, the disruptive Immans on the plane out of Minneapolis and on and on. Wake up Minny!


39 posted on 12/16/2006 5:29:00 AM PST by KenmcG414
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To: neverdem

I hear baseballs are awfully dangerous too.


40 posted on 12/16/2006 5:30:08 AM PST by Porterville (Fight without rules. Fight until only one side stands.)
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