Posted on 12/15/2006 6:32:58 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge
German kids like their sex. A survey of European teen sex habits has found that only pubescents from Iceland are quicker to jump in the sack. But when it comes to safety, the Dutch are tops.
The casual observer in Germany might be forgiven for thinking the Germans are oversexed. Pornographic cinemas and blush-inducing sex shops are a familiar part of the urban landscape, while exposed breasts are a common sight on advertising billboards and magazine covers.
With all that stimulating material around, it's not surprising that young Germans apparently have sex on the brain. A newly-released World Health Organization (WHO) report on sexual habits among teenagers in 26 European countries reveals that German teens are quick off the mark when it comes to losing their cherry; the average age at which Germans -- both boys and girls -- first have sex is 16.2.
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Yup. There have sure been some freaky cases over the last 10 or so years. And we scream our heads off over them. Public officials are reamed when crap like that happens.
The strange thing is, in cases like that, it's not the puritanical American who is behind the policy or idea. It's the leftist feminist who sees every accidental brush-up as a rape who created that insanity.
You're right.
*sigh* OK. I'll do it. I'll just lie back, close my eyes and think of Texas! ;-)
Careful! That's how they got me! LOL!
I'm living in the "Bible Belt" (the South, mostly) and I think European perceptions of America are distorted. Your media especially tends to exagerate and skew things here, as if we were different species of human than you. I've spent some time in Germany too...and I don't really think its all that different than the USA, in many ways....but of course that doesn't make news.
On both sides of the Atlantic we hear how strange those people are over there...and it doesn't help our mutual understanding (especially of the real differences that exist).
Even where I am, in a very conservative Southern city...with one Church for every 300 people (full on Sundays....), you don't hear much about "abstainance pledges" or public organizations (or revelations) of teens' sex lives.
Since abortion and teen pregnancy are serious problems though (something like 25%+ of American births are now to single mothers...and 95%+ of criminals come from single mother households too...hence a serious social(not private) problem), Christian groups, usually working from a church have attempted some of the abstainance-pledging programs--but, with other than those who are deeping involved in the church--they haven't been very effective.
Church and especially parental involvement are the only very consistant indicators of low (or none) pregnancies (or presumably sex) among teens, which, I think that result we both can agree is a good thing.
Society, and civilization itself, has shown through history to be not sustainable when its people are mostly bastards....so yes, sex outside of marriage really does become a social, not merely a private, issue.
At the same time though, don't imagine that American religious groups are sickly obsessed with sex...or stopping it. If they were they're not doing a very good job of it!
My husband is a US soldier and we lived in Germany (for the second time) from early 2000 to 2003. As American military personal we were allowed to homeschool... and it still scared the crap out of us to be doing it in a country where it was frowned on!
One thing I can always say about Germans... as a society, they do adore their children. My kids got the *best* medical care there. Don't get me wrong, American medicine is great. But when a pregnancy is threatened or if a child is sick or injured, the Germans get serious about seeing to that child's care. In every situation.
My daughter contracted German Lyme disease (Borreliose) in late 2001 and we spent Thanksgiving in the Kinderklinik. Every child there was treated like a precious jewel.
Same with my son when he got sick at 9 months and again at 7 years. The Germans don't play with kids' health.
And by the way, to all the Americans who think Germans are a cold folk who only cater to the healthy and who throw their disabled to the wolves: We saw dozens and dozens of *severely* handicapped children being doted on by their parents and the staff. No treatment was spared, no comfort denied. And they were *fast*. When the doctor thought my daughter should be seen by a cardiologist, the cardiologist was there within an hour. No lengthly referrals. No appointment. We were just given directions straight to his office. (They did charge the *hell* out of our insurance, though! LOL!)
I agree with you fully on the blackness of American AND Europe. We in the USA, having murdered just today, for example, 4,000 infants in abortion...and upwards of 45,000,000 total, have no leg to stand on calling Europeans more immoral.
It's a little known fact too, that the abortion rate in the USA (1/4 to 1/3 of all pregancies are aborted here!) is FAR higher than any western European country (Eastern Europe and Russia is a different story). Germany for example I believe has a 1/10 abortion rate.
Americans are definitely more outwardly religious at this time...but in my opinion this is all the more damning, for the hypocrisy of our evil. Our religiousity and concomitant self-righteousness is one thing that drives Europeans crazy too...both sides of the Atlantic have secular values, just the Europeans are more honest about it!
Who will God judge more severely...the religious with secular selfish lifestyles, or those who have never heard sound Christian teaching? Maybe I'm sounding like an Old Testament prophet, but America is storing up her share of wrath in heaven...and it won't rest there forever.
No surprises here.
I noticed too when in Germany how MUCH they do value the children, and the disabled and the sick. Germany is really a decent place today--and Americans are silly when they imagine old war movies when they think of it now.
It's almost as if the children and grandchildren of the WWII generation are trying to make up for the sins of their ancestors, by really trying to be extra kind today.
I really hope America can become more closely allied with Germany--as our societies have a lot to offer each other.
If only Germany can get out of its socialist rut...and also start having kids again!
One of my German friends explained the mild winters this way: They were an effect of the "great evil from Hitler". We then had an interesting debate on armpit hair... I won! LOL!
It´s silly to say that you´re proud that your ancestors left Europe. It would be as silly as saying I were proud that my ancestors stayed here. But yes, it´s right that one must earn his luck.
If you look closely enough, you won´t deny any longer that America was not ahead of Europe in science, technology, sports, culture, etc. This advantage came after two world wars.
Can you please describe the word "pride" in your own words?
I guess it would be sort of like being pleased with something, while having a feeling of connection to it. There is the expectation of works behind it, meaning it has been earned. For example, one could take pride in having earned perfect marks in a class one has taken.
I looked at the definitions at dictionary.com & think I understand why you asked. Look at the word proud instead of pride & it will give you a better sense of the word, as I used it. "A feeling pleasure or satisfaction over something regarded as highly honorable or creditable to oneself."
I think "being glad" is more appropriate than "being proud". Maybe it´s a language thing.
Glad? LOL Glad? Yes, it would be a language thing & my German is worse than awful, so I can't think of any German word to fit the bill.
Part of the problem as many see it, is that the homosexual way of living is taught as perfectly acceptable in our schools. You don't care about their way of living and neither do many of us, and we don't want it taught in our schools. Read this: Targeting Children, Part 2: How the homosexual movement uses public schools as instruments of change
That's part 2 of 4 parts. For the other 3 parts checkout my profile (about half way down). This behavior is encouraged in our schools. There was a questionnaire for students with one question asking: "how do you know you wouldn't like homosexual sex if you've never tried it?"
Unfortunately, the radicals pushing the homosexual agenda are obsessed with our children and like you, we don't care for their way of living nor do we want our children exposed to it.
I was talking about homosexuality... which isn't quite as accepted here as in European countries. But you are right.
If Latinos are more Catholic and more pro-life than whites, why do they vote overwhelmingly Democratic?
I wish they were pro-life, but their voting records show they vote for the liberal Democrat most of the time.
I don't know if the decadent, pro-death culture of America corrupts them, or if the desire for all the tax-payer subsidized "goodies" promised them by the Dems matter more to them than the pro-life views (usually) offered by the GOP candidates, but Latinos are in no wise voting in or changing our pro-death abortion culture.
Ed
Voluntary?
Nobody asks the babies.
Not voluntary, or otherwise qualified, just plain genocide, with all of the usual callousness and moral obtuseness that goes with it.
True. Until the 1930s, there was no question at all that the leaders in the physical, chemical and mathematical sciences in the world were the Germans. Hands down. Slam dunk.
How quickly politics ruined that in just a few short years is an object lesson in just how fragile an academic/intellectual infrastructure really is. Abuse it, and try to take geniuses and make them act as though the political demands of the country outweigh their own intellectual interests and, well, you get an outflux, and some other country gets the benefits of all of that talent.
That's the lesson, and it's not merely a lesson for Germany. It's a lesson for everybody. This pattern has been repeated over and over again in history. It's being played out right now too. The more national politics interferes with science, the more degraded the science becomes. Meanwhile, bright people elsewhere who are not so burdened with mere national issues and mere politics and mere laws of the land, are able to soar right on past the former leaders.
Hispanics are not voting for Democrats on the abortion issue.
They vote for Democrats because they are poor, and need extensive social programs: public education, health care, housing, and eventually social security. Democrats hold forth these programs as good. Republicans are still mired in 1928 and use rhetoric that makes it sound like they're going to get rid Social Security and social programs as quickly as they can. Of course this is all piss and wind: Republicans have expanded social welfare and the various pieces of the safety net just as aggressively as Democrats have, but Republicans TALK fire and brimstone against the very social programs that Hispanics need. This scares Hispanics. Of course, Democrats also point to Republicans as the Party of the Rich, and if you're Hispanic, you or your parents probably got away from some country where the rich DO run everything, where social welfare programs are crap and there are people who go hungry and who die for lack of care. So, the Democrats point to the Republicans as the party of the rich, and the Republics, for their part, like to TALK as though Ayn Rand were their economic guru.
This scares Hispanics to death. They are not going to vote for people who are going to cut them off and leave them hungry. That's how they perceive it, both because of what the Democrats say AND because of what Republicans always say they want. Talk to a Republican and say, flat out, Social Security is necessary, and must be strong, and is here forever. So is public schooling and health insurance, and they will start giving a Milton Friedman lecture about how we really need to get rid of those things. Poor people know how dependent they are on social assistance, and are never going to vote for the people who say they want to get rid of it. That's one part.
The second part is that it's prominent Republicans who are out there talking about militarizing the border and rounding up illegals, etc. Latinos don't like that, and aren't going to vote for the party that is doing it.
Abortion is very tertiary. Latinos don't practice it in anything like their numbers, PARTICULARLY in the ranks of the poor. Yes, there are plenty of Latinos who DO have abortions, but statistically, as a percentage of pregnancies among poor blacks, whites and Hispanics, Hispanics are less likely to abort than the other two.
So, that's the answer. Latinos are mostly living hand-to-mouth. They cannot afford to vote for the party that is always talking about cutting their programs and deporting their cousins (or parents). The abortion issue is simply not enough for Latinos to vote against their economic self-interest.
This cuts in the other direction too. All those RINOs in the Northeast who really are pro-choice and pro-gay marriage. Why don't THEY go Democrat? Simple: taxes. Northeastern Republicans are rich, and Republicans keep their taxes a lot lower than Democrats promise to. Liberal Republicans don't like their party's stance on abortion, but when millions of dollars are at stake, abortion is really a petty and tertiary issue, especially for folks who are not going to be getting one themselves. Ditto at the bottom end of the spectrum. Republicans say they want to tear up the social safety net, put the army on the border, and do mass deportations. Latinos see poverty and exile in that, and don't vote for the GOP. Abortion's beside the point.
With time, Latinos will become the majority of Democrats, not simply a plurality, but a majority. As that emerges, the Democratic party will become a more pro-life party. White limousine liberals CURRENTLY command the party, but whites are still the majority in the Dem party. Blacks are on the Democratic plantation, but Hispanics are not. Hispanics are very hard workers. They calculate, and know they need the social services. And they tolerate whoever is in charge who will help them. But anybody who has been put out of business by Latino competitors who they originally helped into the business knows that Latinos play ball in business just as hard as the hardest hardball players down on Wall Street. Blacks vote Democrat, and are rudderless and leaderless. Latinos vote Democrat for the benefits, but then, once they get the majority, put Latinos in office, and Latinos in office are powerbrokers in their own right. They are emphatically NOT on the limousine liberals plantation. They cooperate with the limousine liberals - and USE them, just as the limousine liberals use them for their votes. But once Latinos are the majority, they are not like blacks, who keep looking to plug into the white power network. Latinos toss out the whites and run things themselves. They aren't particularly mean or racist about it, it's just BUSINESS. Demographics mean that it will be Hispanics in command of the Democrat party within 50 years. The Democrat party, then, will be as socialist or more socialist, AND it will be markedly more conservative on family and abortion issues. Latinos don't like abortion, and they don't like maricons. They play along, now, with the party of the aborts and the maricons, because they need the money and the help. Once they get the numbers, they will take over the party, toss out the pro-abort and maricon leaders, and run things the way they want to. There is a long track record of this, in Florida, in Texas, in Spanish (but not Black) Harlem.
Latinos are poor, now, and weak, now, so they choose their ally. Economically, the Dems are a better ally. Republicans can't get Latinos by putting up Latino faces. Rather, Republicans need to knock off the Ayn Rand crap, which is never, ever, ever going to happen in this world, accept social welfare as a given that is not going to be undone, and stop talking as though they are going to privatize it all and get rid of it the moment they get into power. They never really do, but the rhetoric is sufficiently alarming that Latinos fear it.
Unfortunately, Republicans themselves are very sharply divided on economic issues, and Latinos are voting their pocketbooks, so this isn't going to get better for the GOP any time soon.
White limousine liberals will never change. But if they think they will "master" the Hispanics the way they cowed and mastered the blacks, they don't know Hispanics very well at all.
Evita Peron sings a line in the eponymous stage musical which expresses it to a tee:
"The actress hasn't learned the lines you'd like to hear.
She won't join your clubs.
She won't dance in your halls.
She won't help the hungry once a month at your tombolas.
She'll simply take control as you disappear."
That is precisely what Evita did, and what 20 million, than 40 million, then 80 million - it's just a matter of time - Evitas and Juans here will do too.
On balance, it's a good thing. Hispanics do not have the complexes that the limousine liberal white elites who run the Democratic party do. They know who they are. They know what they believe. They know what they want. They are not "Politically correct" and aren't going to become politically correct. The limousine liberals will always love abortion. Someday, their ranks will be thin, and will be replaced by Hispanics, who don't, and who won't. Then America will turn the corner on that scourge. It will be a bipartisan effort.
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