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To: Vicomte13

If Latinos are more Catholic and more pro-life than whites, why do they vote overwhelmingly Democratic?

I wish they were pro-life, but their voting records show they vote for the liberal Democrat most of the time.

I don't know if the decadent, pro-death culture of America corrupts them, or if the desire for all the tax-payer subsidized "goodies" promised them by the Dems matter more to them than the pro-life views (usually) offered by the GOP candidates, but Latinos are in no wise voting in or changing our pro-death abortion culture.

Ed


237 posted on 12/16/2006 2:36:24 PM PST by Sir_Ed
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To: Sir_Ed

Hispanics are not voting for Democrats on the abortion issue.

They vote for Democrats because they are poor, and need extensive social programs: public education, health care, housing, and eventually social security. Democrats hold forth these programs as good. Republicans are still mired in 1928 and use rhetoric that makes it sound like they're going to get rid Social Security and social programs as quickly as they can. Of course this is all piss and wind: Republicans have expanded social welfare and the various pieces of the safety net just as aggressively as Democrats have, but Republicans TALK fire and brimstone against the very social programs that Hispanics need. This scares Hispanics. Of course, Democrats also point to Republicans as the Party of the Rich, and if you're Hispanic, you or your parents probably got away from some country where the rich DO run everything, where social welfare programs are crap and there are people who go hungry and who die for lack of care. So, the Democrats point to the Republicans as the party of the rich, and the Republics, for their part, like to TALK as though Ayn Rand were their economic guru.

This scares Hispanics to death. They are not going to vote for people who are going to cut them off and leave them hungry. That's how they perceive it, both because of what the Democrats say AND because of what Republicans always say they want. Talk to a Republican and say, flat out, Social Security is necessary, and must be strong, and is here forever. So is public schooling and health insurance, and they will start giving a Milton Friedman lecture about how we really need to get rid of those things. Poor people know how dependent they are on social assistance, and are never going to vote for the people who say they want to get rid of it. That's one part.

The second part is that it's prominent Republicans who are out there talking about militarizing the border and rounding up illegals, etc. Latinos don't like that, and aren't going to vote for the party that is doing it.

Abortion is very tertiary. Latinos don't practice it in anything like their numbers, PARTICULARLY in the ranks of the poor. Yes, there are plenty of Latinos who DO have abortions, but statistically, as a percentage of pregnancies among poor blacks, whites and Hispanics, Hispanics are less likely to abort than the other two.

So, that's the answer. Latinos are mostly living hand-to-mouth. They cannot afford to vote for the party that is always talking about cutting their programs and deporting their cousins (or parents). The abortion issue is simply not enough for Latinos to vote against their economic self-interest.

This cuts in the other direction too. All those RINOs in the Northeast who really are pro-choice and pro-gay marriage. Why don't THEY go Democrat? Simple: taxes. Northeastern Republicans are rich, and Republicans keep their taxes a lot lower than Democrats promise to. Liberal Republicans don't like their party's stance on abortion, but when millions of dollars are at stake, abortion is really a petty and tertiary issue, especially for folks who are not going to be getting one themselves. Ditto at the bottom end of the spectrum. Republicans say they want to tear up the social safety net, put the army on the border, and do mass deportations. Latinos see poverty and exile in that, and don't vote for the GOP. Abortion's beside the point.

With time, Latinos will become the majority of Democrats, not simply a plurality, but a majority. As that emerges, the Democratic party will become a more pro-life party. White limousine liberals CURRENTLY command the party, but whites are still the majority in the Dem party. Blacks are on the Democratic plantation, but Hispanics are not. Hispanics are very hard workers. They calculate, and know they need the social services. And they tolerate whoever is in charge who will help them. But anybody who has been put out of business by Latino competitors who they originally helped into the business knows that Latinos play ball in business just as hard as the hardest hardball players down on Wall Street. Blacks vote Democrat, and are rudderless and leaderless. Latinos vote Democrat for the benefits, but then, once they get the majority, put Latinos in office, and Latinos in office are powerbrokers in their own right. They are emphatically NOT on the limousine liberals plantation. They cooperate with the limousine liberals - and USE them, just as the limousine liberals use them for their votes. But once Latinos are the majority, they are not like blacks, who keep looking to plug into the white power network. Latinos toss out the whites and run things themselves. They aren't particularly mean or racist about it, it's just BUSINESS. Demographics mean that it will be Hispanics in command of the Democrat party within 50 years. The Democrat party, then, will be as socialist or more socialist, AND it will be markedly more conservative on family and abortion issues. Latinos don't like abortion, and they don't like maricons. They play along, now, with the party of the aborts and the maricons, because they need the money and the help. Once they get the numbers, they will take over the party, toss out the pro-abort and maricon leaders, and run things the way they want to. There is a long track record of this, in Florida, in Texas, in Spanish (but not Black) Harlem.

Latinos are poor, now, and weak, now, so they choose their ally. Economically, the Dems are a better ally. Republicans can't get Latinos by putting up Latino faces. Rather, Republicans need to knock off the Ayn Rand crap, which is never, ever, ever going to happen in this world, accept social welfare as a given that is not going to be undone, and stop talking as though they are going to privatize it all and get rid of it the moment they get into power. They never really do, but the rhetoric is sufficiently alarming that Latinos fear it.

Unfortunately, Republicans themselves are very sharply divided on economic issues, and Latinos are voting their pocketbooks, so this isn't going to get better for the GOP any time soon.

White limousine liberals will never change. But if they think they will "master" the Hispanics the way they cowed and mastered the blacks, they don't know Hispanics very well at all.

Evita Peron sings a line in the eponymous stage musical which expresses it to a tee:

"The actress hasn't learned the lines you'd like to hear.
She won't join your clubs.
She won't dance in your halls.
She won't help the hungry once a month at your tombolas.
She'll simply take control as you disappear."

That is precisely what Evita did, and what 20 million, than 40 million, then 80 million - it's just a matter of time - Evitas and Juans here will do too.

On balance, it's a good thing. Hispanics do not have the complexes that the limousine liberal white elites who run the Democratic party do. They know who they are. They know what they believe. They know what they want. They are not "Politically correct" and aren't going to become politically correct. The limousine liberals will always love abortion. Someday, their ranks will be thin, and will be replaced by Hispanics, who don't, and who won't. Then America will turn the corner on that scourge. It will be a bipartisan effort.


240 posted on 12/16/2006 7:30:54 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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