Zimbabwe Has No Plans To Turn Over Convicted Ethiopian Dictator (Mugabe protects Mengistu)

allheadlinenews.com ^ | December 13, 2006

[Tailgunner Joe]

Harare, Zimbabwe (AHN) - Zimbabwe will not turn over former Former Former Ethiopian dictator Mengistu Haile Miriam, despite his conviction of genocide.

William Nhara, a spokesperson for President Robert Mugabe's government, says, "As a comrade of our struggle, Comrade Mengistu and his government played a key and commendable role during our struggle for independence and no one can dispute that."

"The judgment is an Ethiopian judgment and will not affect his status in Zimbabwe. As far as we know there is no extradition treaty between Harare and Addis Ababa."

Mengistu, who has been living in exile in Zimbabwe since he fell from power in 1991, was convicted of charges ranging from genocide, to imprisonment, homicide, and illegal confiscation of property.

Ethiopia's Federal High Court convicted Mengistu and 71 other defendants for their parts in the "Red Terror." According to the U.S. government, "The enormity of government-sponsored operations against suspected political opponents during the 'Red Terror' has defied accurate analysis and has made attempts at quantification of casualties irrelevant."

"Sources estimated that, during 1977-78, about 30,000 people had perished as a result of the Red Terror and harsh conditions in prisons, kebele jails, and concentration camps."

[dfwgator]

Mengistu was a hundred times worse than Pinochet on his worse day. Where is the outcry from the left?

* crickets chirping *

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"If what you say is true, you should have no trouble producing evidence of me supporting genocide. "

You support and defend those who preach it. You support and defend Muslims. You attack every attempt to restrict further Muslim immigration. You provide legalistic cover to our enemy in this war. The majority on this forum is not on your side. In fact, half the country wants mosques bugged!

You support genocide just as much as every supporter and defender of the Nazis or Stalin did in the 30s. Just as Duranty did at the NYT. You support CAIR in their stated goal to use our laws and courts to conquer us.

"There's no excuse for your slander otherwise."

That's libel. Slander is spoken. I find it interesting that you take umbrage at this when you have no trouble attacking others on this forum with "bigot", "racist", and accuse us of desiring genocide. Just like your friends in the ACLU.

What is your purpose here, zimdog? You've never posted a conservative thought or argument in any of your older posts I've reviewed. You just defend the indefensible. Nearly every day.

[zimdog]

You support and defend those who preach it.

You keep saying that, but you haven't provided any facts to back it up.

You support genocide just as much as every supporter and defender of the Nazis or Stalin did in the 30s.

Historical parallels are interesting, but you haven't provided any facts to show that they are valid.

You've never posted a conservative thought or argument in any of your older posts I've reviewed.

If you've reviewed my posts, why haven't you found any that support your accusations? Because they don't exist.

Put up or shut up.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"You keep saying that, but you haven't provided any facts to back it up. "

Of course I found evidence. YOU DEFEND ISLAM. That's the very reason you are in this thread!

"Historical parallels are interesting, but you haven't provided any facts to show that they are valid. "

Islam provides that. You defend Islam.

[zimdog]

Of course I found evidence.

Then please present it.

YOU DEFEND ISLAM. That's the very reason you are in this thread!

This thread was about Mengistu and Ethiopia before your disrupted it with personal attacks.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"This thread was about Mengistu and Ethiopia before your disrupted it with personal attacks."

What "personal attacks"? YOU posted to me first.

Quit bothering the moderators. I'm sure they have enough to do.

[zimdog]

What "personal attacks"? YOU posted to me first.

Indeed I did. And note that it was not a personal attack.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"Indeed I did. And note that it was not a personal attack."

No, that came later - and you started it.

[zimdog]

Post #13

[EnochPowellWasRight]

Post #12

[zimdog]

In post #12 I point out your standard of political continuity that you apply to Ethiopia and not to Western Civilization.

In post #13, you say that I am trying to "destroy said civilization with [my] jihadist buddies" which is not only patently false, it is also a personal attack.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"In post #12 I point out your standard of political continuity that you apply to Ethiopia and not to Western Civilization. "

I applied no standard to Ethiopia. I pointed out that YOUR attempt to discredit the history of the West by bringing in a false impression of the continuity of nationhood of a non-Western state was absurd, but typical.

"In post #13, you say that I am trying to "destroy said civilization with [my] jihadist buddies" which is not only patently false, it is also a personal attack."

It's based on our few previous encounters on this subject on this forum. It's true even if you don't realize that you are being used towards that end.

[zimdog]

I applied no standard to Ethiopia. I pointed out that YOUR attempt to discredit the history of the West by bringing in a false impression of the continuity of nationhood of a non-Western state was absurd, but typical.

There was nothing false about what I said. Understanding Ethiopia does not "discredit" Europe. History is not a zero-sum game.

It's based on our few previous encounters on this subject on this forum. It's true even if you don't realize that you are being used towards that end.

Well, if it's true, you must have some facts to back up such a wild accusation. I'll ask you again to put up or shut up, before you slink away from a burden of proof you can't shoulder.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"History is not a zero-sum game. "

Glad you admit that now.

"I'll ask you again to put up or shut up, before you slink away from a burden of proof you can't shoulder."

You defend Islam. Islam preaches genocide. That's the proof. No one of good conscience can defend such an indefensible ideology after presented with the facts of the matter. That's one reason there's a death penalty for conversion from Islam, actually.

[zimdog]

Glad you admit that now.

It's nothing to be "admitted." It's how the world works. I've known this for a long time. Perhaps you are learning a thing or two here as well.

No one of good conscience can defend such an indefensible ideology after presented with the facts of the matter.

Since you (you!) mentioned the need to present facts, I'll ask you again: Where is your evidence that I ever tried to justify, deny, or defend genocide by anyone against anyone at anytime anywhere and in any manner?

Put up or shut up.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"Perhaps you are learning a thing or two here as well."

Yes. One thing in particular. Not to bother trying to debate with enemies of my civilization.

BTW, why did you bring up the longevity of European nation states as a counter?

"Where is your evidence that I ever tried to justify, deny, or defend genocide by anyone against anyone at anytime anywhere and in any manner?"

You justify and support Islam. THEREFORE, you support genocide, as it preaches same. This is no different than if you were a Nazi-defender in the 40s or a defender of Stalin.

[zimdog]

BTW, why did you bring up the longevity of European nation states as a counter?

I did nothing of the sort. I said that if you require a single political state to rule over Ethiopia in order to validate its 2000 year history, you cannot expect reasonable people to believe you when you talk about Western Civilization as a valid historical unit either, since the notoriously fractuous region (and religion) of Europe hasn't seen political unity since the Roman Empire. You justify and support Islam. THEREFORE, you support genocide, as it preaches same. This is no different than if you were a Nazi-defender in the 40s or a defender of Stalin.

Since you brought it, you must consider yourself no different from a Nazi defender, given your support of concentration camps for people whose religion and/or ethnicity you dislike.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1747549/posts?page=112#112

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"Since you brought it, you must consider yourself no different from a Nazi defender, given your support of concentration camps for people whose religion and/or ethnicity you dislike."

If I'm a Nazi for advocating internment during a war, then so was the FBI and the rest of the US government in the 40s. In fact, so were the Swiss and other neutral nations. The UK even.

Of course, you're trying to imply that an internment camp is equivalent to a Nazi death camp (modern use of "concentration camp")....

More hyperbole in the support of bin Laden.

[zimdog]

If I'm a Nazi for advocating internment during a war, then so was the FBI and the rest of the US government in the 40s. In fact, so were the Swiss and other neutral nations. The UK even.

There's internment of foreign nationals and there's internment based on ethnic background and/or religious views. If you find the comparison of yours I used to be uncomfortable, perhaps you would like to retract it.

Of course, you're trying to imply that an internment camp is equivalent to a Nazi death camp (modern use of "concentration camp")....

The survivors I know have never had any trouble distinguishing between the Nazis' death camps and their concentration camps. Sorry if that rains on your parade.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"There's internment of foreign nationals and there's internment based on ethnic background and/or religious views. If you find the comparison of yours I used to be uncomfortable, perhaps you would like to retract it. "

I would not. Muslims view themselves members of the Ummah - the Muslim nation. In war, it is customary to sequester enemy aliens and their allies until hostilities have ceased.

This IS a war, regardless if YOU think it is.

"The survivors I know have never had any trouble distinguishing between the Nazis' death camps and their concentration camps. Sorry if that rains on your parade."

In current parlance, "concentration camp" is the same as a "death camp". I'm certain you know that well enough. An "internment camp" is entirely different. Unless you are going to continue to claim that our government was "Nazi" in the 40s... We have similar warnings as to the loyalties of Muslims now that we had naturalized Japanese back then. Muslims in this country have done NOTHING but whine and have disabused any reasonable notion that they don't in the end agree with bin Laden. Perhaps they disagree on method, but I KNOW CAIR is on the same page with bin Laden.