Zimbabwe Has No Plans To Turn Over Convicted Ethiopian Dictator (Mugabe protects Mengistu)

allheadlinenews.com ^ | December 13, 2006

[Tailgunner Joe]

Harare, Zimbabwe (AHN) - Zimbabwe will not turn over former Former Former Ethiopian dictator Mengistu Haile Miriam, despite his conviction of genocide.

William Nhara, a spokesperson for President Robert Mugabe's government, says, "As a comrade of our struggle, Comrade Mengistu and his government played a key and commendable role during our struggle for independence and no one can dispute that."

"The judgment is an Ethiopian judgment and will not affect his status in Zimbabwe. As far as we know there is no extradition treaty between Harare and Addis Ababa."

Mengistu, who has been living in exile in Zimbabwe since he fell from power in 1991, was convicted of charges ranging from genocide, to imprisonment, homicide, and illegal confiscation of property.

Ethiopia's Federal High Court convicted Mengistu and 71 other defendants for their parts in the "Red Terror." According to the U.S. government, "The enormity of government-sponsored operations against suspected political opponents during the 'Red Terror' has defied accurate analysis and has made attempts at quantification of casualties irrelevant."

"Sources estimated that, during 1977-78, about 30,000 people had perished as a result of the Red Terror and harsh conditions in prisons, kebele jails, and concentration camps."

[river rat]

A society that can not succeed in the execution of folks like these - regardless of any protection provided, is a society that will not long survive.

We continue to allow deviancy and tolerated conduct to be defined closer to that of animals.
In a sane world -- there would be irresistible clamoring to destroy assholes like these.

Semper Fi

[zimdog]

A society that can not succeed in the execution of folks like these - regardless of any protection provided, is a society that will not long survive.

Ironic that you're saying this about ETHIOPIA of all places. Ethiopia had a thousand year history back when the Magna Carta was little more than a fitful nightmare for autocratic English kings.

[river rat]

"Ethiopia had a thousand year history back when the Magna Carta was little more than a fitful nightmare for autocratic English kings."

Longevity is a measure of time, not of value or desirability. Some of the oldest "societies" existing today - have still journeyed little distance since the bronze age.

Semper Fi

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"Longevity is a measure of time, not of value or desirability. Some of the oldest "societies" existing today - have still journeyed little distance since the bronze age."

Not to mention that England itself had a "thousand year" history before the Magna Carta was written. In fact, longer.

[zimdog]

Longevity is a measure of time, not of value or desirability. Some of the oldest "societies" existing today - have still journeyed little distance since the bronze age.

Perhaps. But my post was addressing your initial statement, in which you seem to ascribe more than a little importance to longevity: "A society that can not succeed in the execution of folks like these - regardless of any protection provided, is a society that will not long survive." (Emphasis added.)

[zimdog]

Not to mention that England itself had a "thousand year" history before the Magna Carta was written. In fact, longer.

As a land, of course. As a continuous state, unlikely. If you care to argue, take it up with the Normans, Vikings, Saxons, etc.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"As a land, of course. As a continuous state, unlikely. If you care to argue, take it up with the Normans, Vikings, Saxons, etc."

Ethiopia has not been a *continuous* nation state for 2000 years either.

[zimdog]

really?

[river rat]

".....is a society that will not long survive."

I guess we're now down to the "Devil in the Details"....
What is a viable "society" and what exactly do we mean by "survive"????

Semper Fi

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"really?"

A series of kingdoms in the same general area does not a continuous nation-state make.

[zimdog]

A series of kingdoms in the same general area does not a continuous nation-state make.

I'll keep this in mind the next time you spout off about the unity of Western Civilization.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"I'll keep this in mind the next time you spout off about the unity of Western Civilization."

A overriding civilization is not the same thing as a local government or an individual nation-state. "Western Civilization" isn't sovereign. Of course, your ridiculous line of reasoning here is just part and parcel with your efforts to destroy said civilization with your jihadist buddies....

[zimdog]

That the Ethiopian nation has been governed by successive states whose borders have shifted over the millenia does not diminish its historical continuity, as much as you would like to discount it. I suspect the fact that avowedly Christian Ethiopia did not kill all of its Muslims and yet still lives challenges your dream of an inevitable Clash of Civilizations. So you ignore it...

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"That the Ethiopian nation has been governed by successive states whose borders have shifted over the millenia does not diminish its historical continuity,"

The same could be said of Britain, as much as you would like to discredit it.

"I suspect the fact that avowedly Christian Ethiopia did not kill all of its Muslims and yet still lives challenges your dream of an inevitable Clash of Civilizations. So you ignore it..."

I suspect it was the command from the "prophet" to specifically not mess with the Christians of Ethiopia had something more to do with it. They are, BTW, having their own problems with the resurgence of Jihad.

"So you ignore it..."

You continue to ignore - or attempt to hide - reality.

[zimdog]

The same could be said of Britain, as much as you would like to discredit it.

Except for the four centuries it was a Roman province. That's not discrediting Britain (although I believe we had been talking about England), it's stating the truth.

I suspect it was the command from the "prophet" to specifically not mess with the Christians of Ethiopia had something more to do with it.

Are you saying that Muslims aren't sworn a blood-oath to behead every Christian they see?

They are, BTW, having their own problems with the resurgence of Jihad.

How can they, if Muhammad forbade Muslims from "mess[ing] with the Christians of Ethiopia"? Clearly any so-called Muslims vexing Ethiopian Christians are heretics.

[razorback-bert]

Surprise, surprise!

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"Except for the four centuries it was a Roman province. That's not discrediting Britain (although I believe we had been talking about England), it's stating the truth."

Ethiopia spent centuries as a province of Egypt. Your point? Oh, yes. You have none beyond "West = bad".

"Are you saying that Muslims aren't sworn a blood-oath to behead every Christian they see?"

Sura 9 is clear, but Christian Ethiopians were the only ones called out by name.

"How can they, if Muhammad forbade Muslims from "mess[ing] with the Christians of Ethiopia"? Clearly any so-called Muslims vexing Ethiopian Christians are heretics."

Or they're just following the final commands in Sura 9.

[zimdog]

Ethiopia spent centuries as a province of Egypt.

When? Please supply some dates.

You have none beyond "West = bad". The fact that Britain was a Roman province hardly leads to "West=bad"

Or they're just following the final commands in Sura 9.

What? Are they following Sura 9 or ignoring it? You have a gift for Doublespeak, but it doesn't make a single bit of sense.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

" When? Please supply some dates."

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05566a.htm

"What? Are they following Sura 9 or ignoring it? You have a gift for Doublespeak, but it doesn't make a single bit of sense."

They appear to be following it now. Of course, your intention on this forum is to provide cover for Islam. I've noticed a few other posters here with very similar names, zimdog, with opinions like yours. How many different IDs do you employ in your war against the West?