Zimbabwe Has No Plans To Turn Over Convicted Ethiopian Dictator (Mugabe protects Mengistu)

allheadlinenews.com ^ | December 13, 2006

[Tailgunner Joe]

Harare, Zimbabwe (AHN) - Zimbabwe will not turn over former Former Former Ethiopian dictator Mengistu Haile Miriam, despite his conviction of genocide.

William Nhara, a spokesperson for President Robert Mugabe's government, says, "As a comrade of our struggle, Comrade Mengistu and his government played a key and commendable role during our struggle for independence and no one can dispute that."

"The judgment is an Ethiopian judgment and will not affect his status in Zimbabwe. As far as we know there is no extradition treaty between Harare and Addis Ababa."

Mengistu, who has been living in exile in Zimbabwe since he fell from power in 1991, was convicted of charges ranging from genocide, to imprisonment, homicide, and illegal confiscation of property.

Ethiopia's Federal High Court convicted Mengistu and 71 other defendants for their parts in the "Red Terror." According to the U.S. government, "The enormity of government-sponsored operations against suspected political opponents during the 'Red Terror' has defied accurate analysis and has made attempts at quantification of casualties irrelevant."

"Sources estimated that, during 1977-78, about 30,000 people had perished as a result of the Red Terror and harsh conditions in prisons, kebele jails, and concentration camps."

[zimdog]

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[EnochPowellWasRight]

"Source, please. "

This is why your arguments are dismissed....

"I'll again, do you want to ship Kareem Abdul-Jabbar to a concentration camp because of his religious views? "

If he doesn't renounce, he's a threat. Not as much a threat as some, perhaps.

"I am defending innocent Americans that you want to imprison based on nothing more than their religious and/or ethnic background. "

You're defending sedition. You're defending the enemy of the West. You're attempting to provide cover for Islam so it can continue to build a power base here.

"Then why are you downplaying Nazi anti-Semitism? "

I didn't. YOU downplay the Holocaust be attempting to draw parallels between the Nazi depredations against the Jews and a recognition of a very real threat posed by Islam.

"Downplaying Nazi atrocities. "

Apparently, the Allied nations in WWII were "Nazi" to you.

The UNITED STATES interned enemy aliens during that war.

"Becuase you used it as an insult."

Did I? Perhaps you just saw it that way. Perhaps there's hope for you yet, if you are beginning to realize that being a Muslim isn't a thing to be necessarily proud these days....

" I've heard far too many pointed statements end with "... Jew" to know what an insult is."

The Jews have done nothing to deserve the enmity of others. Muslims have BY KILLING THEM FOR ALLAH. It is disgusting that you make this comparison.

"Don't deny it. Your posting history proves that you think Muslims sind Üntermenschen and now you're practicing that filth on FR. Go away, N00b. "

No, I see Muslims as the followers of a murderous ideology that seeks to overthrow all that is good in the world. This ideology I would like to see eradicated - just as Nazism was. They proclaim openly their goals to drive Israel into the sea and kill every Christian and Jew they can't force to live as a slave. Only a PC fool would not see this for what it is.

"St00pid n00b at that. Too busy shining your jackboots to read?"

ROTFLMAO!

"Mein Kampf means struggle; jihad means struggle" - Rick Santorum.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06305/734534-177.stm

It appears I'm not alone in drawing obvious parallels...

Let's see:

Nazis wanted to (1) commit genocide against Jews everywhere in the world based, in part, on the mistaken belief they were "stabbed in the back" in WWI and (2) sought to establish a 1000 year empire based on mistaken views of past invented glory, destroying every free country in their way. The followers of Mohammad want to (1) commit genocide against Jews and Christians based, in part, on their lack of interest in converting when Mohammad invented his religion and (2) seek to establish a 1000 year empire (Caliphate) based on mistaken views of past invented glory, destroying every free people in their way.

You want them to succeed. Actually, perhaps you really want the Infidel to be forced to actually destroy the Middle East, Islam, and its followers by trying to stop any more moderate approach.... Which is it? Do you want them to overthrow the Constitution or do you want the West to obliterate the Middle East by stopping any approach to deal with this issue short of that? Once our relative inaction encourages them to destroy a western city, all bets are off.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

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[zimdog]

This is why your arguments are dismissed....

Don't invent numbers. If you can't cite a source, we have no proof that the numbers weren't pulled from your ... head.

If he doesn't renounce, he's a threat. Not as much a threat as some, perhaps.

I've asked several times and still no direct answer. Do you want Kareem Abdul-Jabbar arrested because of his religious views?

YOU downplay the Holocaust be attempting to draw parallels between the Nazi depredations against the Jews and a recognition of a very real threat posed by Islam.

You're defending sedition. You're defending the enemy of the West. You're attempting to provide cover for Islam so it can continue to build a power base here.

It would be interesting to see you try to prove that, seeing how it's false. I've defended innocent Americans. How is that sedition?

I'm not "drawing" parallels. The crayon is in your hand when you call for the arrest and internment of innocent Americans whose religious beliefs and/or ethnic background you despise. You're drawing the picture. I'm just pointing out what it is.

Apparently, the Allied nations in WWII were "Nazi" to you.

Nope. But you are downplaying Nazi atrocities and the anti-Semitism behind them.

The UNITED STATES interned enemy aliens during that war.

"Enemy aliens" are not the same as "American citizens". I support arresting and detaining the former with probable cause. You support arresting and detaining the latter based on their religious views alone.

Did I? Perhaps you just saw it that way.

Perhaps we should ask the moderators about post #262.

The Jews have done nothing to deserve the enmity of others.

This is true.

Muslims have BY KILLING THEM FOR ALLAH. It is disgusting that you make this comparison.

Please tell us, who has Kareem Abdul-Jabbar killed?

It appears I'm not alone in drawing obvious parallels...

Maybe there is a reason why neither you nor Santorum are elected officials then.

Nazis wanted to (1) commit genocide against Jews everywhere in the world based, in part, on the mistaken belief they were "stabbed in the back" in WWI

And you want to ship innocent Americans to concentration camps based, in part, on the mistaken belief that they are stabbing America in the back. Like I said, I don't draw the parallels...

Actually, perhaps you really want the Infidel to be forced to actually destroy the Middle East, Islam, and its followers by trying to stop any more moderate approach....

My position on the Nuke Mecca Crowd is well known.

Do you want them to overthrow the Constitution or do you want the West to obliterate the Middle East by stopping any approach to deal with this issue short of that?

My defense of our Constitutional rights is also well known.

Once our relative inaction encourages them to destroy a western city, all bets are off.

One of the reasons why there is "relative inaction" is because the genocidal bigots of the Nuke Mecca Crowd foul the good name of honest conservatives on this forum and elsewhere.

[cicero's_son]

Why are you wasting your time arguing with one of the ringleaders of the "Nuke Mecca" moron contingent?

You can't swing a dead cat without hitting one of them on FR these days.

[zimdog]

If he's a ringleader, he's only been one for a month or two.

Unless we're talking retread territory.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"You can't swing a dead cat without hitting one of them on FR these days."

Probably because most posters to this forum don't have their head buried firmly in the sand.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"Don't invent numbers. If you can't cite a source, we have no proof that the numbers weren't pulled from your ... head. "

You are seriously going to claim that almost all international terrorists are not Muslim.... Really.....

I suppose that a guy who gets his news entirely from Wikipedia and what he can find on Google - probably sitting at a public terminal in a student union in New York - can't be expected to actually follow current events for the last 30 years....

"I've asked several times and still no direct answer. Do you want Kareem Abdul-Jabbar arrested because of his religious views? "

If he actually believes the Koran to be true and wants to see it inacted, then yes. Just like Ibrahim Hooper.

"It would be interesting to see you try to prove that, seeing how it's false. I've defended innocent Americans. How is that sedition? "

Islam is sedition.

"Nope. But you are downplaying Nazi atrocities and the anti-Semitism behind them. "

Of course, I'm doing no such thing.

""Enemy aliens" are not the same as "American citizens". I support arresting and detaining the former with probable cause. You support arresting and detaining the latter based on their religious views alone. "

Actually, their political goals and allegiance. Just as Sgt Ackbar, although never having before set foot in a Muslim country, identified "you" as Americans and "us" and "our" as Middle Eastern. He was a convert.

Muslims in the West have given us no reason to trust them and many not to. One ignores the warnings of Walid Shoebat, among others, at one's peril.

"Please tell us, who has Kareem Abdul-Jabbar killed? "

Does he denounce the Koran?

"And you want to ship innocent Americans to concentration camps based, in part, on the mistaken belief that they are stabbing America in the back. Like I said, I don't draw the parallels... "

I would for the same reason we detained 1st generation Japanese.

"My position on the Nuke Mecca Crowd is well known. "

Which is why I wonder if that's what you REALLY want to have happen...

"My defense of our Constitutional rights is also well known. "

As I doubt you are an American in the first place, what's this "our"? You support and defend those who want to destroy the Constitution. That's not defensible.

"One of the reasons why there is "relative inaction" is because the genocidal bigots of the Nuke Mecca Crowd foul the good name of honest conservatives on this forum and elsewhere."

Actually, the reason behind our relative inaction is the crying of the politically correct - namely, you. This isn't a law enforcement exercise, zimdog. If we lose one more American life to Islam, I'm going to hold you and yours responsible. I am not willing to see more Infidels die just so you can feel better.

[zimdog]

You are seriously going to claim that almost all international terrorists are not Muslim.... Really.....

That's not what I'm claiming at all. You said 99%. Prove it.

I suppose that a guy who gets his news entirely from Wikipedia and what he can find on Google - probably sitting at a public terminal in a student union in New York - can't be expected to actually follow current events for the last 30 years....

"Free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things."

-- Secretary Donald Rumsfeld

You're relishing your freedom to be wrong, aren't you?

If he actually believes the Koran to be true and wants to see it inacted, then yes. Just like Ibrahim Hooper.

What other American heroes do you want to imprison? Perhaps some of our fine Muslim soldiers currently serving? Or our new nominee for the UN ambassadorship?

Actually, their political goals and allegiance.

So Zalmay Khalilzad is actively working against the United States?

Does he denounce the Koran?

Answer the question: Who has Kareem Abdul-Jabbar killed?

I would for the same reason we detained 1st generation Japanese.

It sounds like you would for the same reason we detained Sansei: Paranoia.

As I doubt you are an American in the first place, what's this "our"? You support and defend those who want to destroy the Constitution.

Does ZAlmay Khalilzad want to destroy the Constitution? What would that entail, since you think that arresting innocent people based on their religious and/or ethnic background is perfectly acceptable?

If we lose one more American life to Islam, I'm going to hold you and yours responsible.

So if someone dies in your concentration camps, are you responsible? And if you make our country moslemrein then no one will die at all? Tim McVeigh wannabes will disappear?

I am not willing to see more Infidels die just so you can feel better.

It sounds like you are, given that you want to lock up everyone whose religious beliefs don't meet your standards.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"That's not what I'm claiming at all. You said 99%. Prove it."

Point to an act of international terrorism that didn't involve Muslims as the aggressors in the last 30 years.

"You're relishing your freedom to be wrong, aren't you? "

I'm not wrong. I wish I was.

"Answer the question: Who has Kareem Abdul-Jabbar killed? "

Who did the average Nazi party member actually, personally, kill?

"Does ZAlmay Khalilzad want to destroy the Constitution? What would that entail, since you think that arresting innocent people based on their religious and/or ethnic background is perfectly acceptable? "

If he is a believing Muslim, then yes. Oh, and it's "ideological background", not "ethnic background".

"So if someone dies in your concentration camps, are you responsible? And if you make our country moslemrein then no one will die at all? Tim McVeigh wannabes will disappear? "

You keep on attempting to paint the opposition to Nazi-like fascism as itself fascist. Oh, and just how many "Tim McVeigh wannabes" do you think exist?

"It sounds like you are, given that you want to lock up everyone whose religious beliefs don't meet your standards."

You're confused.

[zimdog]

Point to an act of international terrorism that didn't involve Muslims as the aggressors in the last 30 years.

Since 1977? The IRA, for one.

I'm not wrong. I wish I was.

It shows.

Who did the average Nazi party member actually, personally, kill?

I'm didn't claim that all Nazi party members committed murder. Those who didn't commit crimes were not jailed after the war. You want to imprison every American Muslim, even those who didn't commit crimes.

If he is a believing Muslim, then yes.

Interesting that you want to jail one of the most steadfast prosecutors of the War on Terror.

Oh, and it's "ideological background", not "ethnic background".

Sure.

You keep on attempting to paint the opposition to Nazi-like fascism as itself fascist.

You know, it it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, and it's a plan to send innocent Americans to concentration camps based on nothing more than their religious and/or ethnic background, then ...

Oh, and just how many "Tim McVeigh wannabes" do you think exist?

Probably a few. Since McVeigh killed 168 innocent Americans, don't you think that's a few too many?

[zimdog]

And you never answered the question: Who did Kareem Abdul-Jabbar kill?

[Valin]

Ethiopia has not been a *continuous* nation state for 2000 years either

Now there's a fine piece of fudgeing. Define continous history?

Ethiopian History
http://www.imperialethiopia.org/history.htm

"History of Ethiopia "
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&cat=gwd%2FTop&q=%22History+of+Ethiopia+%22

[cicero's_son]

Well, have at it.

I'm well past trying to reason with these people.

They are turning the conservative movement (such as it is) into the very thing we used to despise. A bunch of feminized children who have traded in reason for pure emotion.

People like this guy make your average liberal look like downright reasonable.

Embarassing.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"Now there's a fine piece of fudgeing. Define continous history? "

Just as "continuous" as England, which was the implied smear.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"They are turning the conservative movement (such as it is) into the very thing we used to despise. A bunch of feminized children who have traded in reason for pure emotion. "

I don't think you have clue one what "conservatives" believe or what "conservatism" is. If any one is "feminized" in this argument, it's those who believe that this isn't a war, but a law enforcement exercise. People like Kerry are on YOUR side here, BTW.

"People like this guy make your average liberal look like downright reasonable."

LOL! You ARE on the liberal side here.... Frankly, it's unreasonable to expect Americans to allow the overthrow of their country just to avoid offending those who are performing the overthrow.

I believe Lincoln once said that the Constitution isn't a suicide pact....

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"Since 1977? The IRA, for one. "

That's not "international terrorism".

"It shows. "

That I'd rather not have to fight a massive war? Of course I wouldn't. Unfortunately, the history of the 30s is being repeated.

"I'm didn't claim that all Nazi party members committed murder. Those who didn't commit crimes were not jailed after the war. You want to imprison every American Muslim, even those who didn't commit crimes. "

Actually, quite a few Nazi officials were just shot after the war. I want to INTERN Muslims - particularly those with connections to Saudi mosques.

"You know, it it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, and it's a plan to send innocent Americans to concentration camps based on nothing more than their religious and/or ethnic background, then ... "

That would be what nations do during a war. In this case, that would be based on their divided allegiance.

"Probably a few. Since McVeigh killed 168 innocent Americans, don't you think that's a few too many?"

Muslim terrorists have killed thousands of Americans and many more non-Muslims are "wrong kind of" Muslims since this Islamist resurgence in the 60s. Not comparable, but you know that. At least one Congressman believes that McVeigh had Muslim terrorist contacts....

[zimdog]

That's not "international terrorism".

Interesting. What definitions are you using for "international" and "terrorism"?

That would be what nations do during a war. In this case, that would be based on their divided allegiance.

What is Zalmay Khalilzad's "divided allegiance"?

At least one Congressman believes that McVeigh had Muslim terrorist contacts....

Of course, locking up all the Muslims in America would not keep McVeigh et al off the streets. You aren't targeting people with terrorist connections. You are targeting Muslims. Including innocent ones.

[zimdog]

People like this guy make your average liberal look like downright reasonable.

The Nuke Mecca Crowd's paranoid bigotry makes your average liberal look like something between a Vulcan and a supercomputer.

[lqclamar]

Funny comment, coming from someone who tries to sneak Gabon's 1% muslim population into a description of all of French Equatorial Africa.

Typical lie from a chronic liar. I "snuck" no such thing in, unless, of course, you deny that Gabon is only 1% muslim.

Here are the average recruitment breakdown from 1920-1947

1. What's your source?
2. What are the precise numbers? 22.01% means very little without the number it is a percentage of.
3. 1920-1947 is a long time, most of it OUTSIDE of the WWII period. The troops in question were 1939-1945 only, so provide those numbers.