Lab in lacrosse case found many DNA sources (DUKELAX)

The News and Observer ^ | December 13, 2006 | Joseph Neff and Benjamin Niolet, Staff Writers

[Howlin]

A private laboratory hired by the prosecution in the Duke lacrosse case failed to report that it found DNA from multiple males in the accuser's body and underwear, according to a defense motion filed today. The lab, DNA Security of Burlington, found that the DNA did not match the three defendants, their lacrosse teammates or anyone else who submitted their DNA to police, including the accuser's boyfriend.

The new evidence emerged in thousands of documents handed over to the defense in October.

[Carling]

one must ask is how often in the past has Gottlie done shady things to convict someone.

That information is already available. Check the Liestoppers.blogspot.com board, for one. Gottlieb has a history of disproportionately arresting Dookies. The numbers don't lie.

A DA with an election to win, a lead cop with a history of targeting Duke students, and a populace with a chasm of racial and economic divides. This was the PERFECT STORM. Too bad Ahab (aka LIEfong) was captaining Crystal Mangum's ship. He's one of the reasons that the Barney Fife/Mayberry stereotype of the Triangle is valid to this day.

[Howlin]

I just got that book today from Amazon; giving it to my grandchildren for Christmas.

It's fabulous.

[My Favorite Headache]

Those lacrosse guys are gonna be suppppppppppper rich.

[Ready4Freddy]

Thanks Howlin, here's the link to it - http://charlotte.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=92358

[Ready4Freddy]

Soucie's notes regarding that converstion - http://hometown.aol.com/VIP%20PASSES/Soucie2.pdf

[CondorFlight]

North Carolina General Statutes Section 15A-954(a)(4) states:

"The court on motion of the defendant MUST DISMISS the charges stated in a criminal proceeding if it determines that...the defendant's constitutional rights have been flagrantly violated and there is such irreparable prejudice to the defendant's preparation of his case that there is no remedy but to dismiss the prosecution."

The ball is in Judge Smith's court. We'll see if he has the courage and honesty required of one who wears the robe.

[TommyDale]

"Does he think we out here in lala land are all IDIOTS?????

The people who voted for him certainly are.

[JLS]

I've only been following this case peripherally so I don't know every last detail. I do know she's a prostitute and I had assumed the guy who drove her to the frat house was her pimp since I'd read they'd had sex prior to her appointment. Anyway, while I had my strong suspicions her story might be a wee bit fabricated, I still was semi-willing to give her the benefit of doubt since prostitutes can be raped.

It is completely fabricated. And while I guess a prostitute could be out jogging and have a rapist jump out of the bushes and rape her or even have someone she agreed to perform one sex act force her to do another, but don't be like the leftists and confuse theft of services, ie failure to pay for an agreed upon service, with rape. But none of those happened here.

Of course, each time more information came out the result would be more of a tipping of my benefit of the doubt scale. Why do you think she would make up this story? Do you think she might have been afraid of her pimp and so made up the story as a CYA? Or did she see dollar signs? Or maybe she was called some ugly names and she got ticked?

She was about to be involuntarily committed. Someone there suggested rape to her, and she took it and ran. It got her out of involuntary committment to a mental institutions and she has much experience with mental institutions and knew whether being there is good or bad in her view. By claiming rape, she got to go home the next morning. If she had been committed, I am not sure how long she might have been in or what she might have had to do to get out.

Are these lacrosse players still going to have to go to trial even with this DNA evidence? At this point it sure sounds like a clusterf**k on the DA's part and these kiddo's are still having to deal with the mess. Is Nifong unwilling to dismiss charges because it would be an admission of him being guilty of really shoddy work?

Nifong needed this case to win the primary. Once it became clear that he was the criminal he now needs this case to stay out of jail and avoid financial ruin.

Heck, if it was me, the longer this mess gets drawn out, the more money I'd sue for. As someone said upthread, I hate to think how many poor people Nifong has railroaded considering he had no problem in going after kid's who could afford a decent lawyer.

Nifong is a criminal that would break any law that suits his interest to break.

[Sue Perkick]

A lesson they've learned well I'm sure. They are still not to blame for the lies of the FA & DA. I'm sure they will take great measure not to find themselves in this situation again.

[JLS]

How dumb did Gretta sound going over yesterday's news in the case and ignoring today's news?

[Sue Perkick]

If I am not mistaken Judge Ito was demoted back to traffic court or some such.

I don't want Fong to even get it this good. Nothing short of disbarment & arrest is an acceptable outcome.

[Sue Perkick]

Aw come on, let us dream. I've already got the spot picked out for the Fongface perp walk picture. :)

[Sally'sConcerns]

And while I guess a prostitute could be out jogging and have a rapist jump out of the bushes and rape her or even have someone she agreed to perform one sex act force her to do another, but don't be like the leftists and confuse theft of services, ie failure to pay for an agreed upon service, with rape.

I'm in no way being like the leftists. I do believe prostitutes can be raped and it doesn't have to be someone jumping out of the bushes. After all, they can also be out plying their trade, be forced into a car, taken somewhere and raped. Rape isn't about sex, it's about control and violence.

Heck, even if she'd agreed to do her stripper act at the frat house then been constrained and they'd had sex with her, it would still be rape and not theft of services. They didn't contract with her for anything but stripping. But then she's just a lowly, less than human prostitute and she's getting exactly what she deserves because it isn't about control. And just because she didn't agree and they forced themselves on her, it isn't violent either, right?

con·strained /kuhn-streynd/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuhn-streynd] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation    

–adjective

1.	forced, compelled, or obliged: a constrained confession.

[Sally'sConcerns]

Please, don't take me out of context as I'm in no way defending Nifong or the charges brought against the lacrosse players.

[luv2ski]

I'm getting ready for Greta; I want to see if Ted's head blows off.

Interestingly enough, Greta did not discuss this latest revelation but rather focused on the Congressman asking Gonzales to intervene. Ted's head blew off, all right- he ranted about how the case hasn't been tried and what's all this about civil rights violations? etc. It was disgusting.

[JLS]

I'm in no way being like the leftists. I do believe prostitutes can be raped and it doesn't have to be someone jumping out of the bushes. After all, they can also be out plying their trade, be forced into a car, taken somewhere and raped.

Sure. I gave two examples but there are many others how a prostitute can be raped. But my point was unlike some cases I have see in trials on tv, rape is not theft of services either, it is forcing someone into doing something they do not want, not failure to pay.

Rape isn't about sex, it's about control and violence.

You might be buying into a bit of lefitst thought here. Rape is OFTEN about control. Rape is often about violence. Rape is probably sometimes about sex. Rape is probably often about all three.

Heck, even if she'd agreed to do her stripper act at the frat house then been constrained and they'd had sex with her, it would still be rape and not theft of services.

This is a straw man no one here suggest, most particularly not me.

They didn't contract with her for anything but stripping. But then she's just a lowly, less than human prostitute and she's getting exactly what she deserves because it isn't about control. And just because she didn't agree and they forced themselves on her, it isn't violent either, right

Yep you have lots and lots of leftist propoganda for us don't you? I thought so from your first post. BTW, she told her dancing partner that night that she wanted to stay because she thought there was more money to be made at that house. So if I were on a jury, yes, had there been any sex and a related crime there that night, I would think it more likely theft of services than rape.

[Howlin]

But she did talk about it at the end.........and they all went insane.......shaking their heads, the works. Even Ted said it was prosecutorial misconduct!

[Howlin]

He's one of the reasons that the Barney Fife/Mayberry stereotype of the Triangle is valid to this day.

UGH!

But true.

[JLS]

I guess I must have turned it off in digust at the rehash before they mentioned it? Did they come back to the panel after a commercial break?

[Sally'sConcerns]

Yep you have lots and lots of leftist propoganda for us don't you? I thought so from your first post. BTW, she told her dancing partner that night that she wanted to stay because she thought there was more money to be made at that house. So if I were on a jury, yes, had there been any sex and a related crime there that night, I would think it more likely theft of services than rape.

You're way out of line with your accusation I'm promoting any type of leftist propaganda. I don't care what she told her dancing partner because as I plainly stated in my first post, I haven't been following all of the threads on this case. I even used the word peripherally.

As far as her dancing partner is concerned, why would you take her word for what the idiot said? If you'll deign to remember, she initially supported the purported rape victim's account of events. Not exactly the most credible of witnesses, now is she? Of course, you'll give her a buy as long as she's supporting your beliefs.

Oh yeah, I forgot...rape is sometimes about sex! After all, I'm sure there are people out there who can only become sexually excited about coercing someone into sex. So, sexual excitement = sex. "I'm sorry officer, I didn't really rape her, it's just I get turned on when someone doesn't want to have sex with me."

She may well have told her partner she wanted to stay and see if there was any more money to be made. The key being money in exchange for services, a verbal contractual agreement except your argument about theft of services is moot even here.

For the sake of clarification, let's say I'm the commissioned delivery person who delivered a keg of beer to your frat house. You've contracted for 1 keg. I deliver a keg yet I tell my partner I think I'll stick around to see if you're going to need another keg or a keg of a different brand. If you or any frat member lay hands on me because I won't bring in another keg at no charge then it's not simply theft of services, it's assault.

You completely disregarded my statements:
Anyway, while I had my strong suspicions her story might be a wee bit fabricated (kick me, I thought any normal person would see the sarcasm inherent in wee bit), I still was semi-willing to give her the benefit of doubt since prostitutes can be raped.

Of course, each time more information came out the result would be more of a tipping of my benefit of the doubt scale. Why do you think she would make up this story? Do you think she might have been afraid of her pimp and so made up the story as a CYA? Or did she see dollar signs? Or maybe she was called some ugly names and she got ticked?
Self explanatory for most people.

Are these lacrosse players still going to have to go to trial even with this DNA evidence? At this point it sure sounds like a clusterf**k on the DA's part and these kiddo's are still having to deal with the mess. Is Nifong unwilling to dismiss charges because it would be an admission of him being guilty of really shoddy work?
and you think this is leftist propaganda how?

FYI, you misspelled propaganda.