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LIVE THREAD; Iraq Study Group Releases Report
December 6, 2006

Posted on 12/06/2006 8:02:58 AM PST by Howlin

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TOPICS: Breaking News; War on Terror
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To: KC Burke

Thanks, I'll click it now.


641 posted on 12/06/2006 10:00:59 AM PST by processing please hold
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To: TexKat
thanks for reposting the pdf link TexKat.

I am always so sick of tv commentators and politico spin of what these things say when the actual document or speech is readily available on-line and you have to digest the whole thing to really see its true implications

642 posted on 12/06/2006 10:01:02 AM PST by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
He has two years left in office and we are the minority in Congress now. He ought to go in there and kick ass and worry not about this stupid report. What are they gonna do to him, impeach him, arrest him, throw him in jail? I think not, they had xlinton impeached and he stayed in office. He committed more crimes while in office in modern memory. This report really hurts the troops and emboldens our enemies.

IT IS JUST A BUNCH OF RECYCLED CRAP!!!!!

643 posted on 12/06/2006 10:01:38 AM PST by Citizen Soldier
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To: TexKat

Iraq Study Group Report: Executive Summary

“The United States should immediately launch a new diplomatic offensive to build an international consensus for stability in Iraq and the region. This diplomatic effort should include every country that has an interest in avoiding a chaotic Iraq, including all of Iraq's neighbors.”

NPR.org, December 6, 2006 · Below is the executive summary of the Iraq Study Group's report, which was released Wednesday.

The situation in Iraq is grave and deteriorating. There is no path that can guarantee success, but the prospects can be improved. In this report, we make a number of recommendations for actions to be taken in Iraq, the United States, and the region. Our most important recommendations call for new and enhanced diplomatic and political efforts in Iraq and the region, and a change in the primary mission of U.S. forces in Iraq that will enable the United States to begin to move its combat forces out of Iraq responsibly. We believe that these two recommendations are equally important and reinforce one another.

If they are effectively implemented, and if the Iraqi government moves forward with national reconciliation, Iraqis will have an opportunity for a better future, terrorism will be dealt a blow, stability will be enhanced in an important part of the world, and America's credibility, interests, and values will be protected. The challenges in Iraq are complex. Violence is increasing in scope and lethality. It is fed by a Sunni Arab insurgency, Shiite militias and death squads, al Qaeda, and widespread criminality. Sectarian conflict is the principal challenge to stability.

The Iraqi people have a democratically elected government, yet it is not adequately advancing national reconciliation, providing basic security, or delivering essential services. Pessimism is pervasive. If the situation continues to deteriorate, the consequences could be severe. A slide toward chaos could trigger the collapse of Iraq's government and a humanitarian catastrophe. Neighboring countries could intervene. Sunni-Shia clashes could spread. Al Qaeda could win a propaganda victory and expand its base of operations. The global standing of the United States could be diminished. Americans could become more polarized. During the past nine months we have considered a full range of approaches for moving forward. All have flaws. Our recommended course has shortcomings, but we firmly believe that it includes the best strategies and tactics to positively influence the outcome in Iraq and the region.

External Approach

The policies and actions of Iraq's neighbors greatly affect its stability and prosperity. No country in the region will benefit in the long term from a chaotic Iraq. Yet Iraq's neighbors are not doing enough to help Iraq achieve stability. Some are undercutting stability.

The United States should immediately launch a new diplomatic offensive to build an international consensus for stability in Iraq and the region. This diplomatic effort should include every country that has an interest in avoiding a chaotic Iraq, including all of Iraq's neighbors. Iraq's neighbors and key states in and outside the region should form a support group to reinforce security and national reconciliation within Iraq, neither of which Iraq can achieve on its own.

Given the ability of Iran and Syria to influence events within Iraq and their interest in avoiding chaos in Iraq, the United States should try to engage them constructively. In seeking to influence the behavior of both countries, the United States has disincentives and incentives available. Iran should stem the flow of arms and training to Iraq, respect Iraq's sovereignty and territorial integrity, and use its influence over Iraqi Shia groups to encourage national reconciliation. The issue of Iran's nuclear programs should continue to be dealt with by the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council plus Germany. Syria should control its border with Iraq to stem the flow of funding, insurgents, and terrorists in and out of Iraq.

The United States cannot achieve its goals in the Middle East unless it deals directly with the Arab-Israeli conflict and regional instability. There must be a renewed and sustained commitment by the United States to a comprehensive Arab-Israeli peace on all fronts: Lebanon, Syria, and President Bush's June 2002 commitment to a two-state solution for Israel and Palestine. This commitment must include direct talks with, by, and between Israel, Lebanon, Palestinians (those who accept Israel's right to exist), and Syria.

As the United States develops its approach toward Iraq and the Middle East, the United States should provide additional political, economic, and military support for Afghanistan, including resources that might become available as combat forces are moved out of Iraq.

Internal Approach

The most important questions about Iraq's future are now the responsibility of Iraqis. The United States must adjust its role in Iraq to encourage the Iraqi people to take control of their own destiny.

The Iraqi government should accelerate assuming responsibility for Iraqi security by increasing the number and quality of Iraqi Army brigades. While this process is under way, and to facilitate it, the United States should significantly increase the number of U.S. military personnel, including combat troops, imbedded in and supporting Iraqi Army units. As these actions proceed, U.S. combat forces could begin to move out of Iraq.

The primary mission of U.S. forces in Iraq should evolve to one of supporting the Iraqi army, which would take over primary responsibility for combat operations. By the first quarter of 2008, subject to unexpected developments in the security situation on the ground, all combat brigades not necessary for force protection could be out of Iraq. At that time, U.S. combat forces in Iraq could be deployed only in units embedded with Iraqi forces, in rapid-reaction and special operations teams, and in training, equipping, advising, force protection, and search and rescue. Intelligence and support efforts would continue. A vital mission of those rapid reaction and special operations forces would be to undertake strikes against al Qaeda in Iraq.

It is clear that the Iraqi government will need assistance from the United States for some time to come, especially in carrying out security responsibilities. Yet the United States must make it clear to the Iraqi government that the United States could carry out its plans, including planned redeployments, even if the Iraqi government did not implement their

planned changes. The United States must not make an openended commitment to keep large numbers of American troops deployed in Iraq.

As redeployment proceeds, military leaders should emphasize training and education of forces that have returned to the United States in order to restore the force to full combat capability. As equipment returns to the United States, Congress should appropriate sufficient funds to restore the equipment over the next five years.

The United States should work closely with Iraq's leaders to support the achievement of specific objectives—or milestones—on national reconciliation, security, and governance. Miracles cannot be expected, but the people of Iraq have the right to expect action and progress. The Iraqi government needs to show its own citizens—and the citizens of the United States and other countries—that it deserves continued support. Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, in consultation with the United States, has put forward a set of milestones critical for Iraq. His list is a good start, but it must be expanded to include milestones that can strengthen the government and benefit the Iraqi people. President Bush and his national security team should remain in close and frequent contact with the Iraqi leadership to convey a clear message: there must be prompt action by the Iraqi government to make substantial progress toward the achievement of these milestones.

If the Iraqi government demonstrates political will and makes substantial progress toward the achievement of milestones on national reconciliation, security, and governance, the United States should make clear its willingness to continue training, assistance, and support for Iraq's security forces and to continue political, military, and economic support. If the Iraqi government does not make substantial progress toward the achievement of milestones on national reconciliation, security, and governance, the United States should reduce its political, military, or economic support for the Iraqi government.

Our report makes recommendations in several other areas. They include improvements to the Iraqi criminal justice system, the Iraqi oil sector, the U.S. reconstruction efforts in Iraq, the U.S. budget process, the training of U.S. government personnel, and U.S. intelligence capabilities.

Conclusion

It is the unanimous view of the Iraq Study Group that these recommendations offer a new way forward for the United States in Iraq and the region. They are comprehensive and need to be implemented in a coordinated fashion. They should not be separated or carried out in isolation. The dynamics of the region are as important to Iraq as events within Iraq. The challenges are daunting. There will be difficult days ahead. But by pursuing this new way forward, Iraq, the region, and the United States of America can emerge stronger.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6586565


644 posted on 12/06/2006 10:01:47 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Howlin

Yup. Sweetie and I will pick you up. She will tell you that riding with me in the winter on the way to Blowing Rock will make you less fearful of the War in general...you will be more fearful of your next ten minutes.


645 posted on 12/06/2006 10:02:40 AM PST by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: KC Burke
Blog Reaction Roundup.
646 posted on 12/06/2006 10:04:07 AM PST by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.com)
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To: Howlin

I agree. We need to "go big" or leave and prepare for a generation of isolationism and the first radiation attack on U.S. soil.


647 posted on 12/06/2006 10:04:32 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: KC Burke

LOL.........since when is Blowing Rock "the outback" of NC.........LOL.

BTW, I have a fear of heights!


648 posted on 12/06/2006 10:04:39 AM PST by Howlin (44 days to Destin!)
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To: KC Burke

You are welcome KC. I am at work and have not had the time to follow the thread. I got busy around the hour that the ISG was presenting their report and still have not had a chance to read it. But gathering from the responses on the thread it is not good news.


649 posted on 12/06/2006 10:05:11 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Howlin

My son got back from his deployment in Korea with the signal Corps during the missle launch. He will probably be over at this media event in about five months. It will just be in time to see if his perfect score on the urban close combat range with the Second Infantry will prove to be an asset to a SatCom guy.


650 posted on 12/06/2006 10:06:44 AM PST by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: All

The ISG’s findings are consistent with the goals and policies of the Administration, with the exception of the recommendation to draw Iran and Syria into an international conference. The ISG advocates policies that are compatible with President Bush’s definition of success: an Iraq that can govern itself, sustain itself, and defend itself.

The ISG report recognizes that the United States must remain actively engaged in Iraq to provide its fledgling government the best opportunity to avert civil war, humanitarian crisis, regional instability, and creation of a breeding ground for global terrorists. This report provides an opportunity for all sides of the political spectrum to acknowledge that there are no easy answers in Iraq. Iraq policy often boils down to a choice of lesser evils. As bad as things are now, the situation could rapidly worsen. A sudden withdrawal would lead to the worst-case scenario. The best course is for America to finish the job it started: helping Iraqis secure the future of Iraq.

Such a policy would greatly contribute to America’s highest priority, winning the global war against terrorism. Washington must prevent Iraq from becoming a base of operations for al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups that target Americans. The United States has a vital interest in building an Iraq that is an ally in the war on terrorism, not an adversary. The United States must also prevent Iraq from falling under the influence of Iran and Syria, two of the world’s most dangerous state sponsors of terrorism.


http://www.heritage.org/Research/MiddleEast/wm1278.cfm


651 posted on 12/06/2006 10:07:03 AM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Welcome Home, son! You and your comrades are our heroes!))
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To: Cold Heat; All
I think this was all intentional.

Quite possibly...The country's naive majority have no stomach for war. Only a catastrophe will change this position. I'm past blaming Bush43 and agree with those posters who have pointed to the general lack of fiber within this nation to understand, or confront, the lessons of history. The Ahmadinejad, bin Laden etc. axis has told us in no uncertain terms what they intend. It is possible that even highly responsible leaders are now left with no option other than proposing small, and even useless, steps while the pampered public, God willing, slowly awakes to the danger.
652 posted on 12/06/2006 10:07:05 AM PST by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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To: TexKat
White House Press Briefing 1pm EST

For anyone who is interested...it should be interesting.
653 posted on 12/06/2006 10:07:12 AM PST by Lucky9teen (Politics, for too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.)
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To: Howlin
Can anybody point to a "study" that we concluded during a war??

There were 9 investigations of the Pearl Harbor fiasco. All but the Joint Congressional Committee Investigation were conducted during the war. (the link contains links to each of them, including their report) However most of the findings were not released to the public until after the war.

The Knox Investigation Dec. 9-14, 1941.

The Roberts Commission Dec. 18-January-23, 1941

The Hart Investigation Feb. 12-June 15, 1944

The Army Pearl Harbor Board Jul. 20-Oct. 20, 1944

The Navy Court of Inquiry Jul. 24-Oct. 19, 1944.

The Clarke Investigation Aug. 4-Sep 20, 1944

The Clausen Investigation Jan. 24-Sep. 12, 1945

The Hewitt Inquiry May 14-July 11, 1945

The Joint Congressional Committee Nov. 15, 1945-May 23, 1946

654 posted on 12/06/2006 10:07:12 AM PST by El Gato
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To: KC Burke
Bookmarked, thanks.

The wisest piece of information....

Invite Iran and Syria to play a greater role in Iraq. As Senator Joseph Lieberman noted, “Asking Iran and Syria to help us succeed in Iraq is like your local fire department asking a couple of arsonists to help put out the fire. These people are flaming the fire.”[1]

Amen.

655 posted on 12/06/2006 10:08:20 AM PST by processing please hold
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To: Howlin

Scarborough is in my opinion a good example of what is (was/is) wrong with the Republican party. At one time I thought he was a pretty good guy. What I've found out since he left office is that the more rope he was given, the more he has hanged himself on the issues of conservatism.


656 posted on 12/06/2006 10:08:37 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: bnelson44


657 posted on 12/06/2006 10:11:21 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: popdonnelly

AND Haiti!


659 posted on 12/06/2006 10:11:36 AM PST by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: Howlin

ISG - what a crock. The President has said time and time again that we would leave Iraq when Iraq is able to stand up it's own defenses and that would be Victory. Victory for the Iraqi people and a Victory in a crucial front in the War on Terror. I'll stick with the President's thinking on this one. The democrat/media politics of this ISG strawman is divisive for the American people, the Iraqi people and especially our Soldiers on the ground there. JMHO.


660 posted on 12/06/2006 10:11:59 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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