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Defense Secretary Nominee Gates is a Defeatist
December 5th 2006 | jveritas

Posted on 12/05/2006 10:10:32 AM PST by jveritas

Based on what on what Defense Secretary nominee Mr. Gates has said so far in the Senate confirmation hearings, it is easy to conclude that he is a “Defeatist”. No matter how tough the situation is in Iraq he must not say in public that we are not winning the war in Iraq. That is totally demoralizing to our troops and will further embolden our enemies there like Al Qaeda, Iran, and Syria. Moreover the man has shown extreme ambiguity and uncertainty in his answers to many questions.

I doubt very much that he told the President that we are not winning in Iraq or else the President would not have nominated him. It may be too late to withdraw his nomination now, but our country and most importantly our brave troops deserve a better person to be the Secretary of Defense.


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KEYWORDS: alqaeda; bush; gates; iran; iraq; syria; wot
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To: jveritas
He He ... relax....
take off your shoes...
Helps are on the way!


141 posted on 12/05/2006 12:01:40 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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According to the Live FR thread of Gates confirmation hearing Gates just corrected his statement regarding “we are not winning an Iraq”. When the hearing re-started a short while ago he told the Senate committee that during the lunch break and while watching the news, he realized that his statement was misunderstood regarding “we are not winning” and he would like to clarify what he meant. His previous answer, he said, pertains “to Iraq as a whole,” not to the performance of U.S. forces there. “I didn’t want my comments to be interpreted as suggesting that they weren’t being successful in their endeavors,” he said.

I am sure the White House called him and told to correct his stupid, false, and defeatist remark. Glad to know, that he knows who the boss is.

142 posted on 12/05/2006 12:01:57 PM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: popdonnelly

Fortunately, Gates just issued a statement in front of the Senate correcting his previous statement that "we are not winning". Please see post # 142.


143 posted on 12/05/2006 12:03:53 PM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

This has to be some sort of a first, not making it through a half day of confirmation hearings, without issuing a retraction/clarification. Not a hopeful sign.


144 posted on 12/05/2006 12:06:37 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: jveritas
His previous answer, he said, pertains “to Iraq as a whole,” not to the performance of U.S. forces there. “I didn’t want my comments to be interpreted as suggesting that they weren’t being successful in their endeavors,” he said.

You realize this is simply a very nice way of saying, "We're winning all the battles. Just not the war."

We're losing in Iraq, but not because the military is unsuccessful. How reassuring.

145 posted on 12/05/2006 12:11:30 PM PST by Steel Wolf (As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
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To: RegulatorCountry

Agree. I do not think I like Gates so far and I hope that I will be terribly wrong because being right here means that we are coming to a bigger problem than what we have now.


146 posted on 12/05/2006 12:12:45 PM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

My gut says stick with Rumsfeld, if Gates is the alternative.


147 posted on 12/05/2006 12:15:03 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Cyclopean Squid

"I know. We are a decadent civilization. Might as well get it over with."

Maybe we should join those folks who protest at military funerals (sarcasm).


148 posted on 12/05/2006 12:16:15 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: Alter Kaker

Of course, there are enemies in Iraq, which is why we need to be there. But they're not 'Iraq' or 'sectarian violence' or 'innocent people dying, including women and children' or other such nonsense, they're al-Qaeda and Iran (with whoever their proxy of the moment is), the members of Axis of Evil that remain to be dealt with. Simple, but not what most people hear or read in the "news".

Muslims killing Muslims in Iraq and elsewhere is not a problem, it's part of the solution, they've been doing it for centuries and as long as it keeps them from killing others, they should keep at it until they're tired in any particular part of the world (like Iraq or "Palestine").

The pace of gang war... er, 'sectarian violence', in Iraq is a bit slow, maybe that's what's frustrating, but WE are not losing THAT "war". If anything, it helps our intelligence and actions against al-Qaeda, in Iraq and elsewhere.

"Stabilization" of Iraq or Middle East is not the goal, and hasn't been since WOT started, winning is (or at least should be).


149 posted on 12/05/2006 12:18:57 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: Steel Wolf

The academic has a lot to learn, I am afraid it is not time for someone to learn, it is a time of war, a time to act and lead, a time to fight and win. Still the President has the final say and he is the only Commander in Chief, however the President has enough problems on his hands and he does not need to correct his secretary of defense when the latter issue a defeatist statement as he did earlier today in the hearings.


150 posted on 12/05/2006 12:19:21 PM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: RegulatorCountry

The problem that if Rumsfeld stayed on he would have been paraded like a criminal from one investigation to another since the traitors control the Congress now. In other words, Rumsfeld would not have been able to conduct his role with efficiency as Secretary of Defense and in time of war.


151 posted on 12/05/2006 12:21:34 PM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas
The academic has a lot to learn, I am afraid it is not time for someone to learn, it is a time of war, a time to act and lead, a time to fight and win. Still the President has the final say and he is the only Commander in Chief, however the President has enough problems on his hands and he does not need to correct his secretary of defense when the latter issue a defeatist statement as he did earlier today in the hearings.

Correct his statements?

If I said, "The car is not running", and later said, "While the car is not running, I don't mean that the mechanics have not been successful in their endeavors.", what would you take that to be? I can think of a number of words, but 'correction' isn't one of them.

152 posted on 12/05/2006 12:25:21 PM PST by Steel Wolf (As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
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To: Steel Wolf

Same as in Vietnam, the only way we can lose in Iraq, is if we (or the media) will convince ourselves that we did.


153 posted on 12/05/2006 12:25:56 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: Steel Wolf

He screwed it up in this statement, I agree, and his correction is not strong enough. As I said the academic needs a lot to learn and it is not a time of learning, it is a time of war and winning the war.


154 posted on 12/05/2006 12:31:38 PM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

Very well stated. I agree. Elections have consequences.


155 posted on 12/05/2006 12:32:10 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: jveritas

I've seen that argument put forth many times, but Rumsfeld is still Secretary of Defense, and will remain so until his successor jumps through all the appropriate hoops, not all of which should be held by the left. This Gates fellow would appear to have the soul and imagination of a career bureaucrat, and his nomination should not go through.


156 posted on 12/05/2006 12:34:06 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
I there a Republican Senator who can defeat his nomination in the committee? I doubt that there is one.
157 posted on 12/05/2006 12:35:30 PM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas
Moreover the man has shown extreme ambiguity and uncertainty in his answers to many questions.

Do you know of any person, nominated by Pres. Bush, who was able to be confirmed by giving direct answers?

158 posted on 12/05/2006 12:37:28 PM PST by rabidralph (The pajama-wetters are at it again.)
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To: jveritas

Right on! That's why he resigned (not fired as some suggested), and that's exactly why Gates is in there, to be a diplomat for "show trials", not an acting SecDef.

Condi is in the same mode, when she was Bush's NSA it was personal non-public advice, now that she is in State, she publicly tells everybody what they want to hear (they call it "diplomacy", particularly when she has to buy time when dealing with weaklings like Olmert), but privately she is part of the overall ME strategy.


159 posted on 12/05/2006 12:38:32 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: rabidralph

Rumsfeld.


160 posted on 12/05/2006 12:40:39 PM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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