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Iraq Is Just Test Of Will For America (Mark Steyn Slams Baker Study Group "Realism" Alert)
Chicago Sun Times ^ | 12/03/2006 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 12/03/2006 2:37:59 AM PST by goldstategop

James Baker's "Iraq Study Group" seems to have been cast on the same basis as Liza Minnelli's last wedding. A stellar lineup: Donna Summer, Mickey Rooney, the Doobie Brothers, Gina Lollobrigida, Michael Jackson, Mia Farrow, Little Anthony and the Imperials, Jill St. John. That's Liza's wedding, not the Baker Commission. But at both gatherings everyone who was anyone was there, no matter how long ago it was they were anyone. So the fabulous Baker boy was accompanied by Clinton officials Leon Panetta and Bill Perry, Clinton golfing buddy Vernon Jordan, Clinton's fellow sex fiend Chuck Robb, the quintessential ''moderate'' Republican Alan Simpson, Supreme Court swing vote par excellence Sandra Day O'Connor . . . God, I can't go on. I'd rather watch Mia Farrow making out with Mickey Rooney to a Doobie Brothers LP. As its piece de resistance, the Baker Commission concluded its deliberations by inviting testimony from -- drumroll, please -- Sen. John F. Kerry. If you're one of those dummies who goofs off in school, you wind up in Iraq. But, if you're sophisticated and nuanced, you wind up on a commission about Iraq. Rounding it all out -- playing David Gest to Jim Baker's Liza -- is, inevitably, co-chairman Lee Hamilton, former congressman from Indiana. As you'll recall, he also co-chaired the 9/11 Commission, in accordance with Article II Section 5 of the U.S. Constitution, which states: "Ye monopoly of wisdom on ye foreign policy, national security and other weighty affairs shall be vested in a retired Representative from the 9th District in Indiana, if he be sufficiently venerable of mien. In the event that he becomes incapacitated, his place shall be taken by Jill St. John." I would be calling for a blue-ribbon commission to look into whether we need all these blue-ribbon commissions, but they'd probably get Lee Hamilton to chair that, too.

Don't get me wrong, I like a Friars' Club Roast as much as the next guy and I'm sure Jim Baker kibitzing with John Kerry was the hottest ticket in town. But doesn't it strike you as just a tiny bit parochial? Aside from Senator Kerry, I wonder whether the commission thought to hear from anyone such as Goh Chok Tong, the former prime minister of Singapore. A couple of years back, on a visit to Washington just as the Democrat-media headless-chicken quagmire-frenzy was getting into gear, he summed it up beautifully:

''The key issue is no longer WMD or even the role of the U.N. The central issue is America's credibility and will to prevail.''

As I write in my new book, Singaporean Cabinet ministers apparently understand that more clearly than U.S. senators, congressmen and former secretaries of state. Or, as one Baker Commission grandee told the New York Times, ''We had to move the national debate from whether to stay the course to how do we start down the path out.''

An ''exit strategy'' on those terms is the path out not just from Iraq but from a lot of other places, too -- including Iran, North Korea, Sudan, Venezuela, Russia, China, the South Sandwich Islands. For America would be revealed to the world as a fraud: a hyperpower that's all hype and no power -- or, at any rate, no will. According to the New York Sun, ''An expert adviser to the Baker-Hamilton commission expects the 10-person panel to recommend that the Bush administration pressure Israel to make concessions in a gambit to entice Syria and Iran to a regional conference . . .''

On the face of it, this sounds an admirably hard-headed confirmation of James Baker's most celebrated soundbite on the Middle East ''peace process'': ''F - - k the Jews. They didn't vote for us anyway.'' His recommendations seem intended to f - - k the Jews well and truly by making them the designated fall guys for Iraq. But hang on: If Israel could be forced into giving up the Golan Heights and other land (as some fantasists suggest) in order to persuade the Syrians and Iranians to ease up on killing coalition forces in Iraq, our enemies would have learned an important lesson: The best way to weaken Israel is to kill Americans. I'm all for Bakerite cynicism, but this would seem to f - - k not just the Jews but the Americans, too.

It would, furthermore, be a particularly contemptible confirmation of a line I heard Bernard Lewis, our greatest Middle Eastern scholar, use the other day -- that ''America is harmless as an enemy and treacherous as a friend.'' To punish your friends as a means of rewarding your enemies for killing your forces would seem to be an almost ludicrously parodic illustration of that dictum. In the end, America would be punishing itself. The world would understand that Vietnam is not the exception but the rule.

It has been strange to see my pals on the right approach Iraq as a matter of inventory and personnel. Many call for more troops to be sent to Baghdad, others say the U.S. armed forces overall are too small and overstretched. Look, America is responsible for 40 percent of the planet's military spending: It spends more money on its armed forces than the next 43 biggest militaries combined, from China, Britain and France all the way down the military-spending hit parade to Montenegro and Angola. Yet it's not big enough to see off an insurgency confined to a 30-mile radius of a desert capital?

It's not the planes, the tanks, the men, the body armor. It's the political will. You can have the best car in town, but it won't go anywhere if you don't put your foot on the pedal. Three years ago, when it was obvious Syria and Iran were violating Iraq's borders with impunity, we should have done what the British did in the so-called ''Confrontation'' with Indonesia 40 years ago when they were faced with Jakarta doing to the newly independent state of Malaysia exactly what Damascus and Tehran are doing to Iraq. British, Aussie and Malaysian forces sent troops on low-key, lethally effective raids into Indonesia, keeping the enemy on the defensive and winning the war with barely a word making the papers. If the strategic purpose in invading Iraq was to create a regional domino effect, then playing defense in the Sunni Triangle for three years makes no sense. We should never have wound up hunkered down in the Green Zone. If there has to be a Green Zone, it should be on the Syrian side of the border.

Perhaps the Baker Commission's proposals will prove not to be as empty and risible as those leaked. But, if they are, the President should pay them no heed. A bipartisan sellout -- the Republicans cut and the Democrats run -- would be an awesome self-humiliation of the United States. And once the rest of the world figures it out, it'll be America that's the Green Zone.


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According to Mark Steyn, Iraq is bottom line - a test of will for America. If Republicans cut and Democrats run, the next Green Zone target for Al Qaeda will be America itself. Let's keep that in mind as we consider the Baker Study Group's empty and risible recommendations.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

1 posted on 12/03/2006 2:38:06 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
If there has to be a Green Zone, it should be on the Syrian side of the border.

Hear hear.

Now back to Mr. Steyns book.

L

2 posted on 12/03/2006 2:45:10 AM PST by Lurker (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.)
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To: Lurker
The President's mistake was not having America columns march swiftly on Damascus. Think how different the picture would look today. Still, although we are hunkered down there, to retreat will nilly would end the American Moment in history. If we cannot muster the political will to defeat a ragtag group of Al Qaeda terrorists, we will certainly not muster the political will to short-circuit the Iranian nuclear bomb program or halt a Communist Chinese invasion of Taiwan. That's why the stakes are so high. It goes to American credibility and steadiness of purpose.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

3 posted on 12/03/2006 2:49:22 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

These commissions have traditionally come up with liberal recommendations and are designed to give political cover to elected officials to do things that may not be popular.

These insiders make me puke but I will wait until I really know what they are really saying.

The leaks have come out for the sake of someone's agenda, maybe even the presidents but most likely the Democrats.

But if they say retreat don't count me as happy and this bipartisan crap will be the death of many of us, maybe even literally in this case.


4 posted on 12/03/2006 2:55:56 AM PST by Nextrush (Chris Matthews Band: "I get high....I get high.....I get high....McCain.")
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To: goldstategop
The President's mistake was not having America columns march swiftly on Damascus

One of the few times I've agreed with Pat Buchanan was when he made this very point.

L

5 posted on 12/03/2006 2:57:30 AM PST by Lurker (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.)
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To: Nextrush
Like I said, if America can't defeat a group of terrorists in Iraq, its certainly not going to defeat America's other adversaries. If the President implements the BSG's leaked recommendations, we would be rewarding our enemies and punishing ourselves. In no sane world should we ever be quitters. Let's make it clear ANY "exit strategy" is exactly that, no more and no less.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

6 posted on 12/03/2006 2:59:06 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

"A bipartisan sellout -- the Republicans cut and the Democrats run -- would be an awesome self-humiliation of the United States. And once the rest of the world figures it out, it'll be America that's the Green Zone"
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Won't we all be so proud then?


7 posted on 12/03/2006 3:01:19 AM PST by xowboy (My Parents were Right.......Love It or Leave It.)
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To: goldstategop

He is right about Iran and Syria (and Jill St. John etc). We should have at least TRIED to stop the "insurgents." Instead, we did nothing.


8 posted on 12/03/2006 3:01:32 AM PST by PghBaldy (Reporter: Are you surprised? Nancy Pelosi: No. My eyes always look like this.)
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To: goldstategop

If the elite intellectual force called the Baker (Iraq) Study Group isn't a signpost for disaster, what is? The Baker doughboy$ are looking through a busted rear-view mirror at themselves.


9 posted on 12/03/2006 3:04:46 AM PST by PGalt
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To: PghBaldy

Correection: we should have taken the fight to Iran and Syria. Instead, we acted like it was all Al Qaeda, which is not true/is misleading. We have known for YEARS that Iran and Syria were involved in the killing of our men, and we let them off the hook.


10 posted on 12/03/2006 3:05:16 AM PST by PghBaldy (Reporter: Are you surprised? Nancy Pelosi: No. My eyes always look like this.)
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To: PghBaldy
Yep. We did not even try to bomb their sanctuaries in Iraq and Iran to drive the message home we're not to be messed around with. I hang my head in shame at the thought that we're going to give those who are killing us through diplomacy what they want because we lack the fortitude to defeat them in battle. The word for that is called "appeasement."

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

11 posted on 12/03/2006 3:06:07 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Nextrush
Vietnam was a test of America's will to show the Russians and Chinese that the US would commit to a sustained war not on its soil. Iraq, however, is a real war, on terrorists (Islam). The WMD reasons for going into IRAQ were hidden, obfuscated, and misreported by the MSM and the rest of the world. Iran is doing the same thing today as Iraq, only they are worse.

That said, I don't think we need to commit troops to Iran, Syria, et al. I think we need to send them a few cases of 50,000# sun block and then give them a reason to try it.

12 posted on 12/03/2006 3:08:16 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: PghBaldy
Yep. And now we're going to pretend the terrorist sanctuaries in Syria and Iraq don't exist. This is stupidity of the highest order. Instead of winning the war, we're going to arrange an Iraqi Appomatox.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

13 posted on 12/03/2006 3:08:41 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
It's not Iraq and it wasn't the Viet War. It is the stinking hippies (every last one of those cabals) that daily seek to destroy our country. During the Viet War, Walter Cronkite was the bearer of defeatist news, now the lowest of the low are on the TV 24/7, blaring the bad news out, covering up any good news. I pray that they all will burn in hell.

Steyn is absolutely correct in his essay. Baker is just another old geezer grabbing any relevancy he can get. Carter, Rooney, Wallace, Jesse Jackson, et al. Not a single one has the character and class of Ronald Reagan. He departed the field with his head held high...and what a beautiful farewell letter he wrote to all of us!

p.s. Can you guess which one of the keys of this thing has broken?:)!
14 posted on 12/03/2006 3:11:35 AM PST by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: goldstategop
I posted this some time ago, it offers counterpoint to Steyn's argument that all we need is "will:"

I only wish that I could assert on my own behalf that I foresaw the tragedy before the fact, but I cannot. Before the invasion I wrote that "God help me" I wanted the invasion to begin as soon as possible before the inspection regime or the French could so undermine the administration that the war could not be started.

Unlike these treacherous neocons, I will admit that I was wrong. In my own defense I can say, for what it's worth, that I was never seduced by the idea of imposing Wilsonian democracy on Iraq, although I of course would not have spurned it, but I saw the war in what I arrogantly believed were grown up and real world considerations of geopolitics. I wanted forward bases in the Mideast from which to strike at Syria and Iran if intimidation alone did not work. I wanted us to get all our hands on the oil fields to deprive Muslim terrorists of petrodollars with which to buy weapons of mass destruction. I wanted us to demonstrate to the Muslim world that no leader could sleep safe if he played a double game with America. I wanted to so intimidate the Muslim world with our military prowess that they themselves would turn against the terrorists in their midst because I believed, and still believe, that the only way we ultimately can win this war is to turn the sane Muslims against the crazies. And, of course, I wanted a regime change as the only effective defense against WMD's in Iraq. My mistake, and I believe Bush's, was to underestimate the tenacity of the Muslim belief system and to see the war in a two dimensional geographical box, like a game of checkers, where squares were to be taken and held.

Not only was I wrong but the result has been calamitous and every one of the "strategic" reasons for waging war in Iraq have been stood on its head. I suspect that the main reason there has been no terrorist attack on the heartland is because Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden, as well as Iran, are quite content to see America founder in Iraq. Iran, likewise, is the big winner from all of this as it moves closer to upsetting the entire balance of power in the Middle East when it acquires the bomb and perhaps fashions a Shi'ite Crescent running the Mediterranean Sea. I believe my error came out of the false understanding of the nature of the global intergenerational war against terrorism: that somehow it was a war which could be conceived of in geographical terms. It is not-- although if it is lost the ultimate impact will be geographical. This is a war for the soul of Islam and we must not lose our own souls before we can save theirs.

Perhaps the very worst legacy of this whole Irak tragedy is that we are a daily demonstrating to the world that we are presently incapable of winning asymmetrical wars of terrorism. The Israelis just proved that in Lebanon. The people in Afghanistan are beginning to understand it. The tide in the Muslim world is rising against us as their fear drains away. So the goal of saving the soul of Islam has been made more elusive.

To compound the catastrophe, the "socialist" world of Cuba and Venezuela, Russia and China can read the daily events in Iraq and are emboldened as they have not been since the first Iraq war and seem eager to make mischief 1960s style.

Meanwhile, we've increased the danger of losing our own soul as defined as the will to win. Western Europe already lacks it and half of America possesses an anemic red blood count. Another tragedy of the Iraq war might will be to cause the installation of a Democrat regime in America which will align itself with the appeasers in Europe and so fatally succumb to jihad. The danger is as near as next Tuesday when, if the Republicans suffer a stinging repudiation of the polls, Bush might be left in as feckless a state as Gerald Ford was during the final pathetic agony of Vietnam.

Our dilemma is that we cannot win in Iraq and we cannot abandon it. We cannot win until we learn how to fight asymmetrical insurgencies against our occupation. We show no evidence that we have any idea how to do this at a price America is willing to pay. The training up of Iraqi forces, especially the police, is clearly a failure. So we are mired in a situation that spills our blood and empties our treasury and turns our friends against us. Meanwhile, the existential threat against America, represented by Iran's possession of a nuclear weapon which it passes off to terrorists to explode in the heartland, grows daily closer to reality. Our efforts in Iraq have so attenuated our military force that we probably cannot mount an invasion and air power alone probably cannot interdict Iran's nuclear program. This is well known to the whole world and especially to Iran so our ability to intimidate the Iranians into good behavior has bled into the sands of Iraq along with the Bush Doctrine.

Soon it will be fashionable even in conservative circles to blame Bush just as the neocons now are doing so ignominiously. My belief is that the miscalculation was to presume that the Iraqis, read Muslims, would behave rationally when presented with the opportunity for self-determination and democracy. It is not really that we made fatal tactical military mistakes in Iraq which we can lay at the feet of Bush or Rumsfeld, rather it is the nature of the traditional Muslim society that caused all of this bloodshed to be inevitable. Iraq has revealed that America has no stomach for the pain which must be endured to see such a traditional Muslim society through to Western democratic values.

Asymmetrical warfare works against armies of occupation but these tactics do not work against 21st-century Blitzkrieg, American-style. I fear that the American military will engage in another Vietnam style soul-searching and draw the wrong conclusion, that military force does not work at all in the war against terrorism. I am tempted, therefore, to argue that it was the occupation and not the war itself which was the bridge too far. After Iraq, I am humble enough to admit and perhaps it is I who misses the lesson.

I am well aware that new military adventures will be virtually impossible to sell until the inevitable happens: a strike is made against the homeland. If Al Qaeda strikes with anything less than a mortal blow, ie. a series of nuclear explosions, America might yet be able to find its finest hour. But strike it must if Al Qaeda intends fulfill its ambitions. God grant that they settle for half a loaf with an intensity level not exceeding 911.

We must fashion a new policy, a new strategy for winning this intergenerational worldwide war against a portion of 1.4 billion Muslims who inhabit the earth. We must turn rational Islam against this jihad or we will perish because we will rot from the inside out or we will simply surrender after our cities are turned into glass. We cannot hope to prevail if we eschew all military operations as ultimately counterproductive. We must find what works. Above all, we must not lose our soul.


15 posted on 12/03/2006 3:15:33 AM PST by nathanbedford ("I like to legislate. I feel I've done a lot of good." Sen. Robert Byrd)
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To: goldstategop

" Iraq Is Just Test Of Will For America (Mark Steyn Slams Baker Study Group "Realism" Alert) "

Alternate title:

"Requiem for the American Era"


16 posted on 12/03/2006 3:30:05 AM PST by Uncle Ike ("Tripping over the lines connecting all of the dots"... [FReeper Pinz-n-needlez])
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To: goldstategop
At least Mark understands the stakes. I think the President does too. We need to kill terrorists and their enablers. Lots and lots of them until they get tired of getting killed or they are all dead.
17 posted on 12/03/2006 3:32:17 AM PST by Ninian Dryhope ("Bush lied, people dyed. Their fingers." The inestimable Mark Steyn)
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To: Uncle Ike
On a lighter note, every blue ribbon commission seems to inevitably have Lee Hamilton in there. I agree with Mark that our time could better be spent investigating why we need a blue ribbon commission for anything in the first place. Those who sit on such a panel are pompous windbags puffed full of ignorance.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

18 posted on 12/03/2006 3:37:42 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Ninian Dryhope
I get irked when we needed to hear from His Royal Horseass on how we need to hightail it out of Iraq! Heaven save us from becoming Frenchified.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

19 posted on 12/03/2006 3:41:12 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
Cut and run in Iraq = Green Zone USA for the terrorists.

The issue I've found most hard to deal with since 9/11 is the fact that our government officials have not deported people involved with CAIR, Hamas USA, Hezbollah USA, Imams who recently started trouble on US Airways, Imams in MA who requested Visas for religious workers who turned out to be NOT religious workers (have disappeard into American society) and generally any Muslim who appears to be up to no good. For the most part, these people are NOT citizens so why are they still here. I also have a problem with students from countries who sponsor terrorists. Why are they allowed to come to America?

Now America has a Muslim congressman, Keith Ellison, Minnesota who wants to take his oath of office with the Quran... preposterous when you consider that the Constitution is law in the United States while the Quran is the equivalent law for Islam (Muslims). The Bible is merely the tool used to take office. It's not the law. So who/what is Keith Ellison going to be swearing allegiance to if he's allowed to use the Quran.... ding, ding...It's Islam... That is unacceptable in my view.

What's next? Sharia law in the US (like Britain) in order that the Muslims can govern themselves with their own customs and traditions? Will this be a separate government in the US? I find that unacceptable. Additionally, as you may know, their customs and traditions included beheadings, stoning, etc.

It could be me BUT I'm fed up with special rules for special cases, like hate speech laws which go against First Amendment Rights and put us all in a position of not being able to speak our minds when we disagree with something.

20 posted on 12/03/2006 3:45:45 AM PST by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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