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Pyramids were built with concrete rather than rocks, scientists claim
UK Times Online ^ | Today | Chalres Bremner

Posted on 12/01/2006 3:55:23 PM PST by Rodney King

The Ancient Egyptians built their great Pyramids by pouring concrete into blocks high on the site rather than hauling up giant stones, according to a new Franco-American study.

The research, by materials scientists from national institutions, adds fuel to a theory that the pharaohs’ craftsmen had enough skill and materials at hand to cast the two-tonne limestone blocks that dress the Cheops and other Pyramids.

Despite mounting support from scientists, Egyptologists have rejected the concrete claim, first made in the late 1970s by Joseph Davidovits, a French chemist.

The stones, say the historians and archeologists, were all carved from nearby quarries, heaved up huge ramps and set in place by armies of workers. Some dissenters say that levers or pulleys were used, even though the wheel had not been invented at that time.

Until recently it was hard for geologists to distinguish between natural limestone and the kind that would have been made by reconstituting liquefied lime.

But according to Professor Gilles Hug, of the French National Aerospace Research Agency (Onera), and Professor Michel Barsoum, of Drexel University in Philadelphia, the covering of the great Pyramids at Giza consists of two types of stone: one from the quarries and one man-made.

“There’s no way around it. The chemistry is well and truly different,” Professor Hug told Science et Vie magazine. Their study is being published this month in the Journal of the American Ceramic Society.

The pair used X-rays, a plasma torch and electron microscopes to compare small fragments from pyramids with stone from the Toura and Maadi quarries.

They found “traces of a rapid chemical reaction which did not allow natural crystalisation . . . The reaction would be inexplicable if the stones were quarried, but perfectly comprehensible if one accepts that they were cast like concrete.”

The pair believe that the concrete method was used only for the stones on the higher levels of the Pyramids. There are some 2.5 million stone blocks on the Cheops Pyramid. The 10-tonne granite blocks at their heart were also natural, they say. The professors agree with the “Davidovits theory” that soft limestone was quarried on the damp south side of the Giza Plateau. This was then dissolved in large, Nile-fed pools until it became a watery slurry.

Lime from fireplace ash and salt were mixed in with it. The water evaporated, leaving a moist, clay-like mixture. This wet “concrete” would have been carried to the site and packed into wooden moulds where it would set hard in a few days. Mr Davidovits and his team at the Geopolymer Institute at Saint-Quentin tested the method recently, producing a large block of concrete limestone in ten days.

New support for their case came from Guy Demortier, a materials scientist at Namur University in Belgium. Originally a sceptic, he told the French magazine that a decade of study had made him a convert: “The three majestic Pyramids of Cheops, Khephren and Mykerinos are well and truly made from concrete stones.”

The concrete theorists also point out differences in density of the pyramid stones, which have a higher mass near the bottom and bubbles near the top, like old-style cement blocks.

Opponents of the theory dispute the scientific evidence. They also say that the diverse shapes of the stones show that moulds were not used. They add that a huge amount of limestone chalk and burnt wood would have been needed to make the concrete, while the Egyptians had the manpower to hoist all the natural stone they wanted.

The concrete theorists say that they will be unable to prove their theory conclusively until the Egyptian authorities give them access to substantial samples


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: davidovits; geopolymer; geopolymerization; geopolymers; giza; godsgravesglyphs; greatpyramid; josephdavidovits; michelbarsoum; michelwbarsoum; pyramids
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To: kinoxi

The idea that the wheel had not been invented is absurd. Roll a log or a rock down a hill. Geeeeez.


101 posted on 12/02/2006 7:08:42 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Straight Vermonter

I've always believed that the interior of the Pyramids must be similar to a honeycomb, accounting for the many chambers AND built on a hill.


102 posted on 12/02/2006 7:14:04 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Rodney King
They add that a huge amount of limestone chalk and burnt wood would have been needed to make the concrete, while the Egyptians had the manpower to hoist all the natural stone they wanted.

Did they look for straw?

103 posted on 12/02/2006 7:20:59 AM PST by madison10 (If my people, who are called by My name will humble themselves and pray...I will heal their land.)
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To: Rodney King

Pretty neat trick, those Pharoanic war chariots, before the invention of the wheel.


104 posted on 12/02/2006 8:10:47 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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To: RightWhale

A big log is a wheel, and a bunch of logs would stand under the weight of stone blocks.


105 posted on 12/02/2006 8:13:24 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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To: Rodney King
All of the theories are very interesting. But where is the evidence that should be left over. I don't care how you build a structure like the pyramids but there should be trash heaps with evidence showing what the structures were built with. I have never seen any evidence of any large debris piles showing what building materials were used at the time. Of course there is the quarries but what about rope, giant mixing bins, food refuse piles, dead bodies, cutting instruments, wood lifting apparatuses etc.
106 posted on 12/02/2006 8:24:12 AM PST by jetson
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To: jetson

One word: Aliens.


107 posted on 12/02/2006 8:28:22 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: bill1952

I would modify "it transformed architecture by allowing a far more plastic building design compared to prior post and lintel designs" to: including spacious arches and domes like the Pantheon--until the knowledge of its chemocological makeup was lost during the Dark Ages.


108 posted on 12/02/2006 8:28:58 AM PST by wildbill
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To: Rodney King
It's one thing to be a Renaissance Man, but to figure out this and make Spaghetti-O's is pretty dammned impressive.

Funneeeeeeeee!

109 posted on 12/02/2006 8:41:55 AM PST by aculeus
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To: Rodney King
Aliens or no aliens have you ever noticed the mechanical shape of pyramids worldwide. Kind of interesting. Look at photos of pyramids arounmd the world and they are all mechanical looking like they were trying to copy something. Even the stairways and walls in MAchu Pichu are very mechanical looking.


110 posted on 12/02/2006 9:28:45 AM PST by jetson
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To: jetson

I think its just a natural outcome of everyone trying to build tall buildings, and given the level of technology all realizing that if you make them smaller as you go up they are more stable.


111 posted on 12/02/2006 9:33:16 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rodney King
Probrably right. But why no curved or round pyramids. Straight lines and angles like our newer stealth aircraft. Or a huge stealth aircraft.


112 posted on 12/02/2006 9:51:43 AM PST by jetson
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To: jetson
The evidence you are looking for has either been picked over by two legged scavengers (recycled) or has been buried in the sands of the Giza plateau. Remember that the Sphinx has been buried and unearthed several times in recorded history.
113 posted on 12/02/2006 9:53:02 AM PST by Fraxinus
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To: Rodney King; jetson

IIRC correctly from a History Channel program on it, the pyramid form developed from ancient burial techniques. Early Egyptian rulers had a square or rectangular bunker built over their tombs. Then one self-important one had a smaller, symetrical layer added on top so his would look taller. Successive rulers added to that idea. The earlier large pyramids looked a lot like the Mexican-culture stepped ones.

The pyramids we recognize today are they result of the evolution of that technique with the "step" parts filled in to make it a smooth slope.


114 posted on 12/02/2006 10:19:54 AM PST by Gothmog (I am so cool)
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To: Rodney King

115 posted on 12/02/2006 10:54:50 AM PST by sonsofliberty2000
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To: Rodney King

At about the same time the Babylonians invented a crude battery using old wine (acetic acid) and dissimilar metals. Why? They used the current to plate gold onto lead ornaments which they then passed off as solid gold. A techno scam on the rubes! The ancients had a few tricks up their sleeves.


116 posted on 12/02/2006 11:42:13 AM PST by darth
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To: RightWhale

Wally works with little stones...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRRDzFROMx0


117 posted on 12/02/2006 12:04:55 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: bill1952
but that wasn't prehistoric.

True, though it may have been knowledge which was tightly held by a small class of actors, so it never became "common knowledge". In a sense, it's prehistoric origins would not be known. We know the Romans used it, that's historical. We don't know the inventor.

Put on your tinfoil hat, as the basis for the origins of the Masons has to do with the secrets of building. The guild kept the secrets from the ruling classes, forcing the ruling classes to deal with the guild if they wanted to build anything "important". Kinda make one wonder why a pyramid is among the Masonic symbols...

118 posted on 12/02/2006 12:25:54 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
Probably has to do with trying to emulate the appearance of the work that had been done down lower, where actual blocks *had* been used.
119 posted on 12/02/2006 12:29:59 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: GSlob

They weren't talking about using the manufactured blocks to make the whole thing, just the top portion of the stones used as a dressing, which would be a small percentage of the total blocks used.


120 posted on 12/02/2006 12:33:14 PM PST by GoLightly
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