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To: HitmanLV
I consider the pot roast to be the metaphor for the ideal 1950s housewife... No modern woman has enough time to cook a pot roast for a weekday meal in today's world, whether or not they stay at home. That ideal is something that I do despise as it significantly limits women's intellectual self-worth. The idea that men would demand that women actually stay in the kitchen and that this idea was accepted by society as okay is abhorrent to me.
299 posted on 11/27/2006 12:33:10 PM PST by Accygirl
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To: Accygirl
Why don't you pick a more palatable and useful metaphor. I cook a nice dinner almost daily, and that's running my own business.

No modern woman has enough time to cook a pot roast for a weekday meal in today's world, whether or not they stay at home.

Well I can. I guess I got all those successful, modern women beat? Considering I wasn't even trying, that speaks volumes for their 'capability.' And I'm a man, so in terms of 'ideals' and conventional expectations, I shouldn't be accomplished in the kitchen at all.

I think what you define as the 'ideal' is indeed real in some folks' minds and I don't agree with it, but it need not be limited to this 'ideal.' I don't despise it at all - everyone finds their own path. I think to the extent that you are fixated on this artificial limitation, your reactions tend to be exaggerated - using words like despise and abhor. Strong words, and not really appropriate here. Certainly a more even tempered reaction keeps thinking clearer and more balanced, and not upset the balance of mind that I find to be a good thing.

Men can demand what they want, and so can women. All they need to find is a compatible mate. Not millions, just one. And maybe not you. That's fine. You are free to cultivate your life anyway you like. So are other women. And you may arrive in different places. I consider that good.

Indeed, you consistently come across as more narrow minded rather than broad minded, at least on this thread. That's probably because you have attached to much emotion despising and abhorring things.

While I am basically sympathetic to your message, you really come across poorly in the presentation. Anybody who is animatedly hostile to you needs to relax. Please consider that you need to relax, also. And mature. That can come with time, or it can never come. It's really up to you.

So while your argument is basically valid, have the flexibility and maturity to know that people are free to not buy what you are selling. Rational people can look at the same dynamics and facts and rationally come to different conclusions.

I tend to think that while on one hand you like the idea of people having more choices than ever, you don't like the idea that they came to different conclusions as you did. That's a fundamental flaw in your world view, and probably your self image. It can be corrected with wisdom and time, though. Oh maybe never. As long as you're happy, that should be good enough for you. It's good enough for me.

303 posted on 11/27/2006 12:49:20 PM PST by HitmanLV (Rock, Rock, Rock and Rollergames! Rockin' & Rolling, Rockin' with Rollergames!)
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To: Accygirl

Pot roast is about the easiest dinner on the planet. Throw it in the slow cooker in the morning, eat it when you get home. Or start it on the stove when you get home, check on it every half hour, and eat three hours later. What's with making it into some symbol of women's subjugation? All you're demonstrating is that you can't cook. And why be proud of that?


306 posted on 11/27/2006 12:50:57 PM PST by JenB (42,000/50,000 - www.nanowrimo.org)
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To: Accygirl

Well, I make pot roast during the week, thanks to the slow cooker. I get your point, but I think your own personal hatred of cooking is coloring your reactions.

I have two masters degrees and make more than about 95% of the female working population, and I love to cook at the end of the day. I like sharing the day and a glass of wine with my husband while I chop and saute.

If your metaphor is female subjugation, don't pick pot roast to express it. That's a dish that completely takes care of itself for hours at a time while you do other things! :)


310 posted on 11/27/2006 12:56:21 PM PST by linda_22003
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To: Accygirl
"No modern woman has enough time to cook a pot roast for a weekday meal in today's world, whether or not they stay at home."

My wife stays at home and cooks a lovely potroast. Although we prefer beef burgundy this time of year.

319 posted on 11/27/2006 1:06:38 PM PST by Sam's Army (Merry Sectarian Commercial Event and Happy New Euro-American Calendar Year!)
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To: Accygirl
I consider the pot roast to be the metaphor for the ideal 1950s housewife... No modern woman has enough time to cook a pot roast for a weekday meal in today's world, whether or not they stay at home. That ideal is something that I do despise as it significantly limits women's intellectual self-worth. The idea that men would demand that women actually stay in the kitchen and that this idea was accepted by society as okay is abhorrent to me.

Wow. That really reveals a lot about you.

Cooking a pot roast for your husband, does not make you repressed or limit your intellectual self-worth.

If you really believe that, you have no intellect to feel any self worth about, so I guess it would be understandable that you feel that way.

Sheesh. It's just a pot roast. Get over it.

340 posted on 11/27/2006 2:17:13 PM PST by Jotmo (I Had a Bad Experience With the CIA and Now I'm Gonna Show You My Feminine Side - Swirling Eddies)
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To: Accygirl
I consider the pot roast to be the metaphor for the ideal 1950s housewife... No modern woman has enough time to cook a pot roast for a weekday meal in today's world, whether or not they stay at home. That ideal is something that I do despise as it significantly limits women's intellectual self-worth. The idea that men would demand that women actually stay in the kitchen and that this idea was accepted by society as okay is abhorrent to me.

I do all the week's cooking over the weekend and put it in the fridge.

Try it.

Cheers!

378 posted on 11/27/2006 5:50:02 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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