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6 imams removed from flight at Twin Cities airport, questioned
KVOA News 4 Tuscon, AZ ^ | 11-21-2006 | AP reporter Gregg Aamot

Posted on 11/20/2006 11:02:16 PM PST by MrCFdovnh

MINNEAPOLIS -- Six Muslim imams on Monday were removed from a US Airways flight at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport and questioned by police for several hours before being released, a leader of the group said.

The six were among passengers who boarded Flight 300, bound for Phoenix, around 6:30 p.m., airport spokesman Pat Hogan said.

A passenger initially raised concerns about the group through a note passed to a flight attendant, according to Andrea Rader, a spokeswoman for US Airways. She said police were called after the captain and airport security workers asked the men to leave the plane and the men refused.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: 6himoms; flight300; flight3000; flt300; imams; islam; islamicscholars; mn; mooselimbs; muslim; naif; phoenix; phoenixcell; pigsbeuponthem; sixpack; terrorists; trop; twincities; usair; usairways; wot
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To: IrishRainy

Thank you. Good resaerch.


121 posted on 11/21/2006 10:09:00 AM PST by PghBaldy (Reporter: Are you surprised? Nancy Pelosi: No. My eyes always look like this.)
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To: MrCFdovnh

Isn't this incedent a repeat of last Friday. I swear that I heard on the radio, on Friday, that three Muslims were removed from a plane headed for Phoenix. I remembered because, my son lives there.


122 posted on 11/21/2006 10:11:53 AM PST by Eva
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To: Sal
"Three of them stood and said their normal evening prayers together on the plane, as 1.7 billion Muslims around the world do every day, Shahin said. He attributed any concerns by passengers or crew to ignorance about Islam."


It is our fault... because we are ignorant people!The Muslims are smart and the rest of the world has to obey their culture.
123 posted on 11/21/2006 10:25:03 AM PST by SeeSalt
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To: MrCFdovnh

http://beecy.net/frank/frank


124 posted on 11/21/2006 11:56:54 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: MrCFdovnh

Good to see passengers have their eyes open. Someone has to do the racial profiling.

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Well put!


125 posted on 11/21/2006 12:02:29 PM PST by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: Jedidah

Everyone, PLEASE let U.S. Air hear from you. Make sure the top brass know the public appreciates the bravery of the crew and that they should be awarded, not disciplined for being politically incorrect.

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I agree:

Customer Relations Contact info is here

http://www.usairways.com/awa/content/contact/customer_relations.aspx


126 posted on 11/21/2006 12:16:43 PM PST by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: nutmeg; All

Thanks for the flag, nutmeg.

All:
I just called US Air's Customer Relations line and complimented them. The lady I spoke with was exstremely appreicative and said that she is documenting all calls in order to present the record to management. So get on the phone, Freepers.

1-866-523-5333


127 posted on 11/21/2006 12:24:00 PM PST by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: Eroteme

Dry run!


128 posted on 11/21/2006 12:31:10 PM PST by colonialhk (not a sooprize sooprize sooprize)
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To: Lijahsbubbe

US Air is now my preferred airline. The safest way to fly!

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Please let them know that. See my posts #126 & 127.


129 posted on 11/21/2006 12:31:55 PM PST by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: zimdog
"And you would have to prove that."

No, I would not. This isn't a court of law, but an aircraft. These "imams" were acting in a clearly suspicious manner. This was their fault - and likely intentional. No Muslim has the right to expect that performing one of their religious rituals in unison on an aircraft is NOT going to be viewed with suspicion. Couple that with the very rude chattering in Arabic when they clearly speak English, the seat changes and the rest...

"This is America and the burden of proof is on the accuser."

This *is* American - and we recognize defenders and agents of our enemy, zimdog.
130 posted on 11/21/2006 2:02:33 PM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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To: EnochPowellWasRight
No, I would not. This isn't a court of law, but an aircraft.

E Rocc was not in an aircraft. Nor was your dismissal of his views written from 30,000 feet.

These "imams" were acting in a clearly suspicious manner. This was their fault -

and likely intentional.

Based on what evidence?

No Muslim has the right to expect that performing one of their religious rituals in unison on an aircraft is NOT going to be viewed with suspicion.

No one has the right to expect that their suspicions of other passengers will be shared by the relevent and competent authorities.

Couple that with the very rude chattering in Arabic when they clearly speak English,

Ahh, the old Jewhater's slur, recycled for use against the Muslims: "Why do they speak Yiddish [or Arabic] when they can speak English? They must be trying to cheat me out of my money [or murder us all]!" You must be very proud of the intellectual company you keep.

This *is* American [sic]- and we recognize defenders and agents of our enemy, zimdog.

You can't even recognize the one you see in the mirror.

131 posted on 11/21/2006 6:18:47 PM PST by zimdog
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To: zimdog
"E Rocc was not in an aircraft."

No, but the situation was. Based on the description, caution concerning this men was warranted.

"Based on what evidence? "

Based on the published sources.

"No one has the right to expect that their suspicions of other passengers will be shared by the relevent and competent authorities. "

Ah, but in this case - wisely - it was. You see, trust must be earned. Not only have Muslims in general not earned our trust, but they've been actively going negative on that account.

"Ahh, the old Jewhater's slur, recycled for use against the Muslims: "Why do they speak Yiddish [or Arabic] when they can speak English? "

This constant comparison between the the "plight" of Muslims and the Holocaust you use.... It doesn't work.

"You must be very proud of the intellectual company you keep. "

Ah, so anyone how doesn't automatically trust the followers of a fascist ideology bent on world domination is a "Nazi" to you.... This, of course, would make the Jihadists the "good guys" in your view.... Interesting side you've picked.

"You can't even recognize the one you see in the mirror."

You're standing behind me?
132 posted on 11/21/2006 6:47:28 PM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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To: EnochPowellWasRight; zimdog
One more thought, zimdog:

This constant carping by you and yours to "ignore the man behind the curtain" or the "elephant in the room" is one of the reasons we don't trust you and those you defend.
133 posted on 11/21/2006 6:48:56 PM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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To: EnochPowellWasRight
Based on the published sources.

Which published sources said these men were intentionally acting suspicious.

Not only have Muslims in general not earned our trust, but they've been actively going negative on that account.

Individual responsibility means individual rights. I don't hold you responsible for the actions of other people who share your faith. Just because you think EnochPowellWasRight doesn't mean you're trying to kill innocent Pakistanis like some BNP members are.

This constant comparison between the the "plight" of Muslims and the Holocaust you use.... It doesn't work

Who said anything about the Holocaust. I was calling you a bigot, which, as your posts have revealed, you are.

Ah, so anyone how doesn't automatically trust the followers of a fascist ideology bent on world domination is a "Nazi" to you

I don't see how you spun that flax from my golden words, but I'll restate it for you: Anyone who thinks that people can't hold a private conversation in the language they are most comfortable using is certainly not a friend of freedom.

This, of course, would make the Jihadists the "good guys" in your view

Clearly, you can't read very well.

Interesting side you've picked.

My side, the American side. Interesting that you find fault with that.

You're standing behind me?

Like I said, I'm on America's side. Which places me above you and your fellow totalitarian bigots.

134 posted on 11/21/2006 10:28:04 PM PST by zimdog
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To: zimdog
"Which published sources said these men were intentionally acting suspicious. "

If they weren't acting intentionally, they're idiots.

"Individual responsibility means individual rights."

Funny. We didn't treat Nazis that way last time, why should we now? "Individual responsibility" means you are responsible for your choices - and that includes choice of religion.

"Just because you think EnochPowellWasRight doesn't mean you're trying to kill innocent Pakistanis like some BNP members are."

You don't think there is going to be any backlash when non-Muslims are burned alive? Westerners are human, after all. Just how many more threats, bombs, and murders do you expect Westerners to take? Eventually, if a government fails to defend its citizens, vigilantism will take hold to fill the void. That's not a good thing, but it is what usually happens.

"Who said anything about the Holocaust. I was calling you a bigot, which, as your posts have revealed, you are. "

It's perfectly rational to distrust Muslims and we have been given no reason TO trust them.

"Anyone who thinks that people can't hold a private conversation in the language they are most comfortable using is certainly not a friend of freedom. "

Didn't sound too "private". Just how can 6 people hold a "private" conversation on an airliner? Apparently, the woman that overheard them understood Arabic... and was disturbed by what she heard them say.

"Clearly, you can't read very well. "

Don't think I haven't noticed that you appear to exist to defend Islam.

"My side, the American side. Interesting that you find fault with that. "

No, you've chosen the side of the enemy. Islam is not compatible with the US Constitution. It has the stated goal of overthrowing it.

"Which places me above you and your fellow totalitarian bigots."

Oh, that's funny. Really. WE are bigoted because we don't *LIKE* people who belong to a religion that preaches our defeat and death - and before you say it doesn't, you're a liar. You know, you hurl "bigot" at people here as if you think we care anymore what you side says on the matter.
135 posted on 11/22/2006 5:14:24 AM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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To: EnochPowellWasRight
If they weren't acting intentionally, they're idiots.

That's entirely possible. But if they weren't acting intentionally, your argument has no weight.

"Individual responsibility" means you are responsible for your choices - and that includes choice of religion.

And "individual rights" means that you have the right to make choices as long as they don't harm others. That includes the choice of religion.

You don't think there is going to be any backlash when non-Muslims are burned alive?

Non-Muslims are burned alive far too often. That doesn't give anyone the right to engage in retaliatory murder against other innocent people who happen to share the same religion, skin color, hairstyle, etc. as the initially murders. We live in a world of laws, not one of weregild and collective guilt. Individual responsibilities, individual rights.

It's perfectly rational to distrust Muslims and we have been given no reason TO trust them.

Since you and your ilk keep calling for the same kind of unrelenting religious war that bin Laden wants, it is perfectly rational for Americans to distrust you. And since you refuse to modify your bloodlust calls after your similarities to al-Qa'ida have been demonstrated, you have given us no reason to think that you're not in league with them.

Didn't sound too "private". Just how can 6 people hold a "private" conversation on an airliner? Apparently, the woman that overheard them understood Arabic... and was disturbed by what she heard them say.

"Private" in that the conversation was not an official one. Last I checked this was a free country and you could speak whatever language you wanted.

Apparently, the woman that overheard them understood Arabic... and was disturbed by what she heard them say.

That's an important point. But given that members of the Nuke Mecca Crowd are "disturbed" by anyone even thinking of talking about Islam, it's not necessarily an sufficient point. Plenty of posters here have stated that the are "disturbed" by flying on a plane with Muslims at all. What was it that "disturbed" this woman?

Don't think I haven't noticed that you appear to exist to defend Islam.

You're not very preceptive then.

Islam is not compatible with the US Constitution.

Actually, religious discrimination is not compatible with the US Constitution. You could look it up.

You know, you hurl "bigot" at people here as if you think we care anymore what you side says on the matter.

I don't care if you don't care what my side says on the matter. You proved your hatred for America and the Constitution a long time ago. Why should you start respecting Americans and Constitutionalists now?

136 posted on 11/22/2006 1:00:28 PM PST by zimdog
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To: zimdog
"That's entirely possible. But if they weren't acting intentionally, your argument has no weight. "

Quite a few things otherwise legal can get you extra attention on an airliner.

"And "individual rights" means that you have the right to make choices as long as they don't harm others. That includes the choice of religion. "

A choice of religion - such as a choice of this one - can be a harm to others.

"We live in a world of laws, not one of weregild and collective guilt. Individual responsibilities, individual rights. "

So? When it becomes apparent that the government ignores its laws in favor of one group, the other group tends to react. That's how things have always worked. "Asian" mobs rape and murder with seeming impunity, some soccer hooligans are going to retaliate. It's best that the government not give people the impression that they favor Muslims.

"Since you and your ilk keep calling for the same kind of unrelenting religious war that bin Laden wants, it is perfectly rational for Americans to distrust you"

I and my "ilk" are an increasing number of Americans. You see, we see Islam for what it is. The enemy's ideology.

"Last I checked this was a free country and you could speak whatever language you wanted. "

Ah, but an airliner isn't a "free country".

"Actually, religious discrimination is not compatible with the US Constitution. You could look it up. "

The First Amendment doesn't say that Islam - or any other cult - can't be banned if judged a danger to others. Particularly since Islam is more a political system than religion.

"You proved your hatred for America and the Constitution a long time ago. Why should you start respecting Americans and Constitutionalists now?"

You aren't either of those things, zimdog. You stand on the side of those who would tear my country down. In fact, you stand against my entire civilization.
137 posted on 11/22/2006 10:29:41 PM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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To: EnochPowellWasRight
Quite a few things otherwise legal can get you extra attention on an airliner.

Indeed. But if they were not acting intentionally, it can't be part of a vast worldwide Muslim scheme, can it?

A choice of religion - such as a choice of this one - can be a harm to others.

Please explain how a choice of religion can hurt anyone, short of divine intervention.

It's best that the government not give people the impression that they favor Muslims.

Yes. Wouldn't want to give the impression that the government doesn't like violent (and disproportionately neo-Nazi) soccer hooligans.

Ah, but an airliner isn't a "free country".

Is it ruled by regal fiat? Or can you show us where an airline has rules that prohibit its passengers from speaking certain languages?

The First Amendment doesn't say that Islam - or any other cult - can't be banned if judged a danger to others.

When the belief that there is no god but God and Muhammad was God's final prophet -- and that belief in and of itself -- hurts someone in any way, let me know.

Particularly since Islam is more a political system than religion.

Interesting take. And Jehovah's Witnesses are door-to-door salesmen, perhaps?

You stand on the side of those who would tear my country down. In fact, you stand against my entire civilization.

I'm defending my fellow Americans no matter what their religious preferences. You've chosen a screen name that glorifies racism and xenophobia. British racism and xenophobia at that. Change your name to something extolling the genius of Pat Buchanan and maybe you'll have an easier time convincing the rest of us that you have America's interests at heart.

138 posted on 11/26/2006 5:15:54 PM PST by zimdog
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To: zimdog
"Please explain how a choice of religion can hurt anyone, short of divine intervention. "

If that religion teaches the overthrow of non-Muslim government and the deaths of Infidels, it most certainly can hurt people.

We banned Nazi organizations during WWII. We can ban Islam during this war.

"Wouldn't want to give the impression that the government doesn't like violent (and disproportionately neo-Nazi) soccer hooligans. "

The reason those "hooligans" are beginning to turn violent is that it is clear to them that their government sides with the murdering Muslim nuts.

"When the belief that there is no god but God and Muhammad was God's final prophet -- and that belief in and of itself -- hurts someone in any way, let me know."

Ah, but that's not the whole of Islam.

That and the Allah of Mohammad isn't God.

"I'm defending my fellow Americans no matter what their religious preferences. "

No, you're defending Islam. That's what you do here. That's all you do here.

"You've chosen a screen name that glorifies racism and xenophobia."

I see Powell was talking over YOUR head too.
139 posted on 11/26/2006 5:54:06 PM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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To: EnochPowellWasRight
If that religion teaches the overthrow of non-Muslim government and the deaths of Infidels, it most certainly can hurt people.

Again, please explain how a metaphysical belief can hurt anyone.

We banned Nazi organizations during WWII. We can ban Islam during this war.

Ah, but Nazi organizations were formed explicitly to aid and comfort our enemies. Try as you might, you can't say that Islam was founded in opposition to the United States.

Ah, but that's not the whole of Islam.

That is the core of Islam, just as the core of Christianity is that Jesus of Nazareth is the Son of God.

That and the Allah of Mohammad isn't God.

You're at odds with the Pope, among other right-thinking people.

No, you're defending Islam. That's what you do here. That's all you do here.

I'm defending my country and my fellow Americans against those who wish to destroy our way of life and bring forth rivers of blood. If you don't like the fact that Muslims are citizens of my great country, with standing and rights before the law equal to any other American, you're welcome to leave.

140 posted on 11/26/2006 6:15:42 PM PST by zimdog
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