Posted on 11/20/2006 4:26:57 PM PST by wagglebee
LONDON, November 20, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Terry Grange, the leading officer on child protection of the UK's Association of Chief Police Officers' has ignited controversy by commenting in an interview with The Sunday Times that pornography featuring children at 13 years of age should not be considered child porn. Grange also said that the term "pedophiles" should only apply to adults who have sex with 12 and under.
Grange's comments match those of the pedophilia party launched recently, with court approval, in the Netherlands. The 'Charity, Freedom and Diversity' (NVD) party of the Netherlands formed last Spring introduced itself to Dutch politics as a champion of children's rights. In a press release, the NVD's spokesman and co-founder, Ad van den Berg said among their goals is lowering the age of consent for sexual activity from 16 to 12 and eventually eliminating it completely. (see coverage: http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/may/06053005.html )
Grange told the Sunday Times: "Child porn is 12 and under." On pedophilia he said: "For me, that sort of thing, paedophilia, is [with] prepubescent children."
In the UK where the age of consent for sexual activity is 16, Grange says, "It is much more of an issue for me if a child is under 13. I think the closer they get to 16 the more it becomes a grey area and I think everyone in the field of dealing with sexual health and sexual activity acknowledges that."
He added: "I don't actually personally adhere to the 15-year-old being with a 20-year-old boyfriend being paedophilia, or even if the boyfriend is 30."
The ACPO incident is the latest in the ongoing normalization of pedophilia, which has picked up steam since homosexual 'marriage' has been mainstreamed.
In comments this weekend, Romeo and Juliet director Franco Zeffirelli made positive remarks about homosexual sexual contact with young boys. In the context of noting that as a boy he was sexually abused by a priest, Zeffirelli said, "(Homosexual experiences) are not always bad for boys. I don't think they make you homosexual. Sexual choice is made for you early on in life anyway - if you like girls, you like girls."
LifeSiteNews.com reported in June on a poll which found 11% of Canadians did not consider pedophilia immoral. (http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/jun/06061204.html )
In 2001, leading Canadian film-makers were promoting the pedophiliac film Fat Girl which featured nude scenes with a thirteen year old. And in 2004 Nicole Kidman starred in the movie Birth which included a scene which made it appear as if she bathed in the nude with a boy of 10 with whom she was sexually interested.
Also in 2004, Glasgow University awarded a student a doctoral degree for his thesis defending pedophilia. (http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2004/dec/04120306.html )
To express concerns contact the ACPO here:
http://www.acpo.police.uk/contact.asp
In other words, sex with children doesn't offend him at all.
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Interesting how once the age of consent for homosexual sex was lowered to 16 which is the same age as for heterosexual sex, the police now want to lower the age for the definition of child porn even lower.
Plenty of our ancestors thought the same thing. My family tree includes many 14 and 15 year old wives of older men, and so does everybody else's if they bother to research it.
I think it is legitimate to recognize that hebephilia (sexual behavior with post-pubescent adolescents under 18) is different from pedophilia (sexual behavior with pre-pubescent children). Both should be illegal, but one is qualitatively worse than the other and should be punished as such.
-ccm
If the age of consent in England is 16 (or even lower), and they have legal gay marriage there, will the old queens be able to marry their underage boy toys?
"I can name that tune in 16 notes."
"13."
"Oh yeah? I can name that tune in 12 notes."
"11."
"Why stop there? Eight notes."
As civilization changes, laws change with it. We would not try to apply the logic that our ancestors had a very different attitude than ours toward slavery, why should this be different?
I have a relative who got pregnant at thirteen by an eighteen year old. Problem was, he really did not know that she was thirteen. She told him she was sixeen. That's not pedophilia, either. That's....well...that's confusing. I wouldn't have prosecuted him. Her parents didn't, either. Amazingly, they both proved to be excellent parents. They are grandparents, now!
Leftists are just preparing the ground for the Islamists to take over. The lack of any moral authority will cause future generations to seek out phlilosophies and religions that provide a moral code. Also with the demographic collapse of native Europeans, the Muslims won't have much trouble forcing the remnants of native European population to convert.
You ain't tryin' to bring reason to this here thread, are yuh, boy?
The victims of ultra liberalism will start to cry out for retribution.
I think you're right.
I agree that there is a "fine line" between pedophilia and statutory rape; however, what about saying that pornography with a 13 year old isn't child porn?
In the Netherlands, 82% said something must be done to stop the agenda of the pedophilia party. WHAT ABOUT THE 18% THAT DOESN'T THINK SOMETHING SHOULD BE DONE? How did even 18% become is desensitized?
I imagine you will agree the first thing the Isalamists will do is kill the 'queens' ( and their boyfriends, whatever). As for pedophilic behavior, there is great debate over the age of Mohammed's wife.
"Numerous people have said that Mohammed had sex with his youngest wife, ‘Aisha, daughter of Abu Bakr, when he was about 53 and she was only nine years old."
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"In Iran as of June 2002 it is legal for a 9 year old girl to marry with her parents’ permission. "
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http://www.muslimhope.com/AishaNine.htm
Muslims have never had a problem with pedophilia, starting with Mad Mo and his 9 year old "wife." The sexual use of young boys by adult men, often those in their own family, is a well established custom in most ME countries.
Personally, I think that one of the things that is actually loosening Western laws against pedophilia is the influence of Islam. Remember, British "bohemians" in the early part of the 20th century used to have second homes in Morocco or other Muslim countries mostly for the purpose of enjoying all the hash and young boys they could get.
That guy should NOT be in charge of child protection.
That is revolting.
If I have sex with the elements and minerals, did I just have sex with someone who was negative-four years old?
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