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Trust me...hate speech laws will protect more "groups" than gays and Muslims. Radical vegans, who sought protected minority status in Idaho, will be protected from being called the "Vegan Taliban". Speaking out against the North American Union will be considered hateful.

I wonder if Pink Floyd's The Wall will be banned because of the lyrics "for the queers and the coons and the reds and the jews". Will Roger Waters seeks to fight these unconstitutional laws if they ban his music, or will he toe the neo-lib line?
1 posted on 11/15/2006 2:42:04 PM PST by bigdcaldavis
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I hate hate laws.


2 posted on 11/15/2006 2:45:37 PM PST by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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Dems wacked away at the 2nd amendment now they want to kill the 1st..


3 posted on 11/15/2006 2:46:27 PM PST by Echo Talon
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What is ironics, as the ADL passes these laws, the group that will use them the most are muslims.


4 posted on 11/15/2006 2:47:25 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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And they want to take away all of your guns (even BB guns) so they won't go bad and harm a minority breaking into your house.


5 posted on 11/15/2006 2:47:48 PM PST by Thunder90
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And, speaking out for the right to keep and bear arms, or how the Iraq war was a good idea, would be banned. And so would speaking out against Pelosi and Obama, and Pelosicare.


6 posted on 11/15/2006 2:48:54 PM PST by Thunder90
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So it would appear that free speech is a dying notion, there is no such animal as "hate speech".

Hate requires reaction, and any speech can bring a reaction for instance if someone didn't like McDonald's, they could be charged with hate speech for merely expressing their opinion on Mcdonald's.

this law will require self censorship, and that is the antithesis of Free Speech, the free exchange of ideas.

And of course the hippo-critical ACLU is nowhere to be found.....
8 posted on 11/15/2006 2:51:20 PM PST by padre35 (We are surrounded, that simplifies our problem Chesty Puller)
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This is one piece of scary legislation.


10 posted on 11/15/2006 2:53:37 PM PST by MBB1984
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As much as I like that some legislation didn't get passed, I am very uncomfortable with the use of the majority to block votes on legislation, instead of using persuasion to convince people of the superiority of your position on the matter.

One of Newt's 1994 promises was to allow votes on things on the floor. Oddly, that's also one of Pelosi's promises now, to allow republicans a vote on the floor for their amendments.

I think that was and is a good thing, even though it does mean that sometimes you will end up with bad legislation, when a majority of the house loses it's mind.

It's just wrong to use tricks and deception to slip things into bills, or to keep bills from being voted on. It's one of the things that contributed to overspending and complacency, as the republicans figured that they didn't have to hold hearings and make persuasive arguments, they simply had to sideline bills and sneak stuff into conference reports.


12 posted on 11/15/2006 2:54:31 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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Hate speech = anythinhg a non-WASP finds offensive.


13 posted on 11/15/2006 2:55:52 PM PST by Mugwump
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"Pres. Bush has said he will sign a "modified" hate bill."

Of course he'll sign it -- he's a closet liberal with a track record that reveals his disdain for free speech.


15 posted on 11/15/2006 2:59:59 PM PST by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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I will certainly go out of my way to break this law should it ever pass..


16 posted on 11/15/2006 3:05:38 PM PST by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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"free speech in America will quickly come to an end."
There has been no free speech for many years now.


20 posted on 11/15/2006 3:19:36 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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But will it survive a veto.


21 posted on 11/15/2006 3:19:42 PM PST by ShandaLear (Perfect People Need Support, too.)
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VETO and FILLIBUSTER


23 posted on 11/15/2006 3:30:56 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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From my files:


Letter to the Editors, Washington Times, circa fall, 1998:


In the waning hours of the 105th Congress, quiet efforts to pass controversial legislation are under way.

The Hate Crimes Prevention Act... cites violence based on sexual orientation as a Hate Crime.

Hate Crimes have commonly been racially motivated. Only in Canada has sexual orientation been included in anti-hate and human rights legislation. The Canadian law does not focus exclusively on physical violence-- it includes all forms of communication as well.

...As a Canadian living in the United States, I fear for your freedom, mainly because you take it for granted.

If my words were published in a Canadian newspaper... I would be charged with inciting hate under the criminal code.

Freedom of speech no longer exists in Canada-- I could not state that AIDS is largely found within the homosexual community, nor quote statistics to back up my assertion.
My opinion would make me a criminal. Since "tolerance" has been redefined... only Political Correctness is tolerated...

The Hate Crimes Prevention Act is a signifigant foot in the door for homosexual rights lobbyists-- it validates the entire... movement as an endangered group in need of special legislative protection.

Violence against any person is already illegal, no matter what the motive.

I find it offensive that violence is noteworthy only when the victim ( is)... a member of some political action group.

Susan Mayhew
Herndon, Virginia

31 posted on 11/15/2006 3:55:56 PM PST by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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I wonder if this will be part of the "Minority protection and gun control act" which also bans all semi-auto rifles, handguns, and pump action shotguns???


34 posted on 11/15/2006 8:23:12 PM PST by Thunder90
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Pres. Bush has said he will sign a "modified" hate bill.

In other words, the Democrats aren't the only ones to blame for this. Our RINO President will share the blame. Good reason to make sure the next GOP Presidential nominee is true conservative.

40 posted on 11/15/2006 11:23:48 PM PST by Ol' Sparky
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Murtha calls ethics bill "Total Crap"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1739141/posts

Ethics covers 'hate' crimes....right?!


45 posted on 11/16/2006 6:49:28 AM PST by dcnd9
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Is there a link to the actual bill text? There seems to be a lot of "OMG!!!!!!!" in this article w/out much in the way of sources.


46 posted on 11/16/2006 9:04:35 AM PST by jjm2111 (http://www.purveryors-of-truth.blogspot.com)
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I have a feeling that it will not be a crime to defame white Christian males.


47 posted on 11/16/2006 9:06:05 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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