Count Me In The Guiliani Camp (Debbie Schlussel: He Has The Cojones TO Fight Islamofascism Alert)

Debbie Schlussel.com ^ | 08/15/2006 | Debbie Schlussel

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

I share your thoughts on this. I am as pro-life as it gets and certainly do not support the gay agenda, but as you say..................if we don't stop radical Islam from destroying us, the rest doesn't matter.

I believe Rudy would be elected quite handily (beat Hell-ary) and I'd feel a whole lot more secure with him than any Democrat.

[Alberta's Child]

If you have any evidence whatsoever that Rudy Giuliani would be any more effective than anyone else at "fighting radical Islam," then have at it.

The Brooklyn and Jersey City mosques that served as a hotbed of radical Islam throughout the 1990s -- and was a meeting place for the 1993 World Trade Center bombers -- is still standing. They were there on 9/10/01, they were there on 9/12/01, and they remained there even as Rudy Giuliani was pretending that throwing Yassir Arafat out of Lincoln Center and turning down a $10 million donation from a Saudi prince represented a "tough" approach to radical Islam.

[goldstategop]

People are entitled to disagree. Republicans may feel he is not the right man for the job. That's why we have primaries.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

[Emmett McCarthy]

Add me to that list, OK?

[goldstategop]

Just what do you think the Democrats will do? They certainly aren't up to the job, even rhetorically. Our opponents don't understand the danger. The Mayor Of New York lived through that history. He knows who and what the people we're fighting did. The Democrats still pretend 9/11 never happened.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

[shhrubbery!]

Only way Rudy Giuliani (let's get the spelling right) gets close to the White House is if we have another truly devastating terrorist attack on our soil.

Otherwise a pro-partial-birth abortion, pro-gay-"marriage" candidate gets nowhere in the Republican primaries.

[Sir Gawain]

No, thank you. I would like a conservative for president.

Too bad we haven't had one in office since Reagan.

[Popocatapetl]

My early predictions among the republican contenders:

1) McCain's support is neither wide nor deep. He is re-elected in Arizona not out of popularity, but out of default. This is because his wife buys his seat, and the AZ republican party is stingy. This places him in a league with John Kerry, outside the realm of national politics.

2) Guiliani has two disadvantages. He is from New York, and he is seen as physically weak, whether or not the latter is true. Unless he can re-craft his image to one of comfort outside of the East Coast, he will have difficulty.

3) The stronger candidates are governors, not senators. So what republican current or (newly) ex-governor of a major State is available?

Here is a current listing of governors:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_Governors

[tobyhill]

While I might agree with him 100% of the time, his pro-abortion stance is 100% the reason I won't vote for him.

[Just mythoughts]

I fully anticipate no matter whom the Republican nominee is to be demonetize by the MSM election arm of the liberals.

So IF I am expect to defend said candidate against all manner and methods of demonetization, should at least the candidate be defensible????

Now Rudy supported the Clintons that goes against the CORE of who I am as a Conservative and a leopard cannot change their spots no matter what wardrobe and make up they come on the national stage wearing.

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

I've noticed you have one poster who obviously wants to argue against this. That's all fine and good until we have to face another President Clinton (shudder).

We have to go to the fight with a weapon that will work. Unfortunately, I'm unaware of anyone on the horizon that would likely beat Hillary. If there is such a person, he or she better start winning over the American public today. That is a daunting task considering the MSM, et al.

[Phantom Patriot]

Oh joy another year of no choice!

[Spiff]

The Real Rudy Giuliani:

• Pro-abortion - He even opposes banning partial birth murder.
• Anti-2nd Amendment - supports gun grabbing legislation including the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban
• Pro-big government - amassed unprecedented debt as Mayor of NYC
• Pro-radical gay agenda
  

  - Attended and marched in every gay pride parade in NYC while mayor (even one in 1992 that included a NAMBLA contingent of pedophile activists)
  - Attends and supports many functions and fund-raisers held by radical gay organizations (even did a cross dressing act at Pride Agenda fund-raiser)
  - Openly opposes Constitutional Amendment to protect tradition marriage which is supported by President Bush and the Republican Party Platform.
  - Supported "domestic partner" and "civil union" bills in City Council while mayor of NYC.
  - Submitted Gay "Domestic-Partner" Rights Bill to City Council giving gay and lesbian couples the same benefits reserved for married couples.
  - Said, "I'm proud of it" when referring to the gay "domestic partner" bill he submitted. Said, "National Republicans can lump it if they don't like this new domestic-partners bill...I think it puts New York City ahead of other places in the country."
  - Has received awards from several radical gay agenda organizations who support gay marriage for his support of their cause. Is considered a "champion" of gay "rights."
  - Lived with a gay "married" couple in Manhattan when he moved out of Gracie Mansion during his second divorce.
  - Said that homosexuality is "good and normal"
  

• Pro-illegal immigration - said no one in New York City is going to assist the federal government with the enforcement of immigration law, sued Feds in 1997 to be able to ignore immigration law, lost in court, vowed to ignore law anyway
• Endorses liberal Democrat candidates over Republicans - endorsed liberal Dem Mario Cuomo over Republican George Pataki in NY Governor's race
• Ran for NYC Mayor in 1994 on Liberal Party ticket. Appointed Liberal Party State Chair to a Deputy Mayor position. Endorsed 3 times by the Liberal Party for his liberal views.
• Holds many other liberal views
• Republican In Name Only - opposes many major planks of the GOP Platform

Read more about Giuliani's liberal positions here and here.

Some people want Republicans to ignore his liberalism on almost every issue and, as a distraction, they try to pretend that Rudy is fiscally conservative. Again, his record shows that he isn't fiscally conservative either:

According to an article in The Nation from 2002:

It's now apparent that Giuliani purchased the city's good times partially with borrowed money and left his successor, Mike Bloomberg, holding a bag of debt. New York City went from a $3 billion budget surplus in 1998 to a $4.5 billion deficit after Giuliani left office. This mismanagement of prosperity is a big part of his legacy. Giuliani left the city's finances in a mess...

Here are some things Giuliani did as Mayor that were NOT anywhere near being fiscally conservative:

• New York City went from a $3 billion budget surplus in 1998 to a $4.5 billion deficit after Giuliani left office.
  
• Added 25,000 government employees patronage hires to the city's payroll after promising to cut the work force.
  
• Giuliani's borrowing practices increased the city's debt burden by 50 percent.
  
• Partly because of Giuliani, New York City is now the biggest debtor in the nation outside of the federal government with $42 billion in loans outstanding.
  

According to the article from The Nation:

During the 1960s Giuliani was a self-described "Robert Kennedy Democrat." He identified with RFK as a liberal Catholic prosecutor. He volunteered for RFK's 1968 presidential campaign while he was a student at NYU Law School. Giuliani also voted for George McGovern in 1972. During the liberal 1960s, he was a liberal.

But in 1975 Giuliani switched his party registration from Democrat to Independent when he got a job in Gerald Ford's Justice Department, according to his mentor Harold "Ace" Tyler.

On December 8, 1980, Giuliani changed his registration from Independent to Republican. This was one month after Ronald Reagan's election, and just as he was applying for a top job in the Justice Department.

So, to sum that up:

• Liberal Democrat until 1975
• Worked as volunteer for Democrat Robert F. Kennedy's presidential campaign.
• Voted for liberal George McGovern.
• Liberal Independent from 1975-1980.
• Did not register as a Republican until 1980 and only AFTER Ronald Reagan was elected and because he was applying for a top job in the administration.

He's a liberal. He's not even in the same building as conservative. He's only a Republican because...and this comes from his own mother, Helen Giuliani:

"He only became a Republican after he began to get all these jobs from them. He's definitely not a conservative Republican. He thinks he is, but he isn't..."

And as John Hawkins put it in an excellent article in Human Events:

Despite all of his charisma and the wonderful leadership he showed after 9/11, Rudy Giuliani is not a Reagan Republican. To the contrary, Giuliani is another Christie Todd Whitman, another Arlen Specter, another Olympia Snowe. He's a throwback to the "bad old days" before Reagan, when the GOP was run by moderate Country Club Republicans who considered conservatives to be extremists. Trying to revive that failed strategy again is likely to lead to a Democratic President in 2008 and numerous setbacks for the Republican Party.

[goldstategop]

Let's not forget President Bush ISN'T a conservative either. The first job of the President is to defend our countries from its enemies. We're still at war. Nothing has changed even though we just lost Congress. The issue of national security will be #1 in 2008.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

[Alberta's Child]

It has nothing to do with "what Democrats will do" -- and has everything to do with a Republican who is conservative on about 10%-20% of the issues (at best), who is being promoted as the best candidate for 2008 because of one or two key issues, and who has an abysmal record on one of those issues (illegal immigration) and an undistinguished record on the other ("the war on terror," whatever that is).

Just look at Schlussel's article -- as well as so many of the posts on various Rudy threads here on FR -- and note how many times you see terms like, "I believe he'll do this," "I think he's the best candidate for that," etc. The claim that "he'll nominate strict constructionists to the Supreme Court" is perhaps the most comical of all.

These people have no idea what they're talking about. They're simply projecting their own desires for a candidate on this guy without any evidence whatsoever to support these claims.

[Alberta's Child]

The issue of national security will be #1 in 2008.

Really? It was barely #1 in 2004, it wasn't #1 in 2006, and it sure as hell won't be #1 in 2008 unless something catastrophic happens between now and then.

[goldstategop]

All of that IS true. We conservatives are not babes in the woods. If 9/11 never happened, I don't think Rudy would even be in contention. He isn't a Reagan Republican and if you want to look for one in the Northeast, they don't exist. All he has going for him is he has courage and common sense. That may or may not help him in 2008. Yet he is right that we have to be on the offense. In the other party, whoever is nominated will continue to sound the tocsin of retreat.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

[goldstategop]

I know, we want to vote ourselves off that island. The real world isn't like that and our enemies won't leave us alone just because we wash our hands off this particular conflict.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

[Brian Allen]

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To bad he doesn't have them to take on the queers, the gender feminists, the gun-grabbers, the criminal alien invasion, the activist bench and the abortoir and unborn-baby-parts industry.

West of the Hudson, Mr Guiliani will NEVER be elected dogcatcher.

Nor, by the way, seeing we're visiting New York, will that state's junior senator, the recidivist, treasonous, lying, looting, thieving, mass-murdering, dangerously-dullard co-serial-rapist gangster, Missus Bruno Cli'ton.

[RichardW]

Wise choice. Debbie Schlussel sees terrorism as I do. It trumps everything. I could care less if Giuliani cross dresses or whatever else he is accused of. I want someone with the intestinal fortitude to do what is required.