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A Question from a Webb Supporter
The Washington Post ^ | November 14, 2006 | John Whitesides

Posted on 11/14/2006 1:51:18 PM PST by DCBandita

The announcement by McCain, who has put together campaign organizations in many of the states with early nominating contests, was widely expected. The intentions of Giuliani, who has been less active in early organizing, had been less clear.

Giuliani's campaign team said the committee was simply an opening move designed to keep his options open, with a final decision still to come.

"This filing affords him the opportunity to raise money and put together an organization to assist him in making his decision," Giuliani adviser Anthony Carbonetti said.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: conservatives; neocons; theocons; zot
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To: DCBandita
Hi DC, Keeping it out of government accomplishes that and delivers the promise of secular Democracy, which is what we ARE.

No. that is what the left is trying to make us. It is not what we are.

The first amendment was written in the context of the Judeo-Christian ethic that underpins the entirety of Western Civilization.

Any extrapolation of that right which causes it to attack it's own root is DOOM.

That is exactly what the liberal/socialist interpretation of "separation of church and state" is doing... Destroying the Judeo-Christian root. Without that root we will certainly fail.

We were founded a Christian nation. We have been a Christian nation. We ARE a Christian nation, even yet.

But our slow drift into European socialism has infected us deeply. Everything that was right is now wrong, and everything that was wrong is now "right".

do yourself a favor and compare pre-60's say (1920-1950's) statistics against today.

Look at divorce rates, abortion rates, teen pregnancies, unwed mothers, orphaned children, drug addiction. Look at how many 12, 14, and 18 year old children were having sex. How about pedophilia? Look at crime rates, strength of families, psychological health of everybody, care of the elderly.

Look at the welfare state, and the cost of health. Look at the tax rate vs. the ability of folks to save money. Look at how much of the country left their doors and windows open at night and their cars unlocked.

Talk to folks that are old enough to remember, don't just take the word of the MSM. Take a trip to the country (South, West, Mid-west small town) where it is still the way it WAS to a great extent.

In the light of what you'll find, try to justify your position and the liberal/socialist democrat agenda. I doubt you can.

Conservatives are not trying to change America, We're trying to change it back into what it has always been.

Bruce

541 posted on 11/14/2006 9:23:13 PM PST by roamer_1
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To: DCBandita
I disagree on both points. The representative is not a puppet to put his judgment on the latest poll. That is how Clinton ran things. No, we pick the person that most fits our ideals as to who we want. We should not then expect them to behave differently than they are. That makes them automatically dishonest. We expect them to use their best judgment and moral principles to vote their conscience.
As for your abortion statement that couldn't be further from the truth. If, as you say people want it, then why must it have been imposed by the courts? Why is it the litmus test of the left on judges? Roe V. Wade being overturned merely means that each individual state can vote to make it legal or illegal. If, as you contend, it is the pro life movement and not the constituency, then why not let the people vote?
This one example is the biggest fight between conservatives and the socialists (Read my tag line. It's serious.) Abortion, private property, the border, gay marriage, are not issues you would want a popular vote on. (meaning Democrats or liberals)The constituents want the traditional interpretation that has stood for 230 years of this country. It is why the marriage definition wins in elections and then is attacked in the courts. The left pursues its agenda to impose itself relentlessly. Without ethics.
542 posted on 11/14/2006 9:47:24 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: DCBandita
morality IS relative

No it is NOT. It is quite defined. One of the benefits of principles.

the terms "amoral" and "morally relative" are fiction. they work to express a theory, like the term "infinite", but cannot be reckoned. There is no morally-neutral position because any moral position IS a moral position by it's definition.

I'm not a bad person because I don't believe it's murder

I would agree, it doesn't make you bad. It does make you WRONG though. Please understand that I believe you to be ignorant in this subject. Until you have your VERY OWN "bunch of cells" you are in fact incapable of understanding how very precious a child is. Be sure to come back here after God's gift to YOU and eat some crow... because you will have probably changed your mind.

If you would like a fair compromise on abortion, I am willing to let it come to referendum, and allow only females to vote... The only condition is that I would require them all to be mothers.

Bruce

543 posted on 11/14/2006 9:54:00 PM PST by roamer_1
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To: DCBandita
Puh-leeze. Reinforcing the issue as "Choice" is the correct way to characterize it, because it advocates nothing but that: a choice.

So, you are advocating that people have the right to "choose" whether or not to terminate the life of a person whose life would be an inconvenience to them. Nevermind that in most cases, they could have exercised their "choice" in the first place and not become pregnant.

And yes, "pro-choice" people advocate for abortion, and support tax-payer funded abortion (regardless of the inividual taxpayer's stance on the issue.) "Choice" is not the correct way to characterize the termination of a human life.

Choice is a euphamism Abortion is a generous enough term. Murder is closer to the truth.

544 posted on 11/14/2006 10:26:58 PM PST by Washi (Support the country you live in, or go live in the country you support.)
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To: murphE; Vicomte13
A choice to take the life of an innocent human being because allowing that human being to live is inconvenient and because that human being is too little and too weak to fight back or protest.

Watch the movie "Silent Scream" sometime. Watch a little baby human die. In agony. In the womb. You choose not to see that as a baby, and that is the legal authority today. You must understand, therefore, that I have no compunction at all about imposing my will on you, in reverse, if I and mine are ever able to get the power to do it.

At this late hour, the best thing I can think of is this quote:

"America Will Not Reject Abortion Until America Sees Abortion" - Priests for Life

Furthermore, there's a good reason why life is listed first in the "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" phrase in the Declaration of Independence (as flawed as its authors were).

545 posted on 11/14/2006 10:33:06 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
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To: Washi; Petronski; murphE; Vicomte13; DCBandita

Check out the posting history of DCBandita. I think the line "I smell ozone" is appropriate.


546 posted on 11/14/2006 10:36:20 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
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To: DCBandita

over here??? buzz off!!! - go back to DU.

we don't need any libs snooping around here taking opinion polls...


547 posted on 11/14/2006 10:45:01 PM PST by zwerni (it's the end of the world as we know it...)
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To: DCBandita

Yeah-- wanting to stop the murder of innocent children is purely a religious zealot view....whacko! I mean what is up with the laws against domestic violence too! Dang..it's your wife...if she don't want hit-- she can leave....now- you seem like a nice little lassie...run and get me my beer.....(hiccup) next thing ya know- them folks are gonna be knockin' on the trailer door every Sunday, wantin' to see my church bulletin to make sure I went to church...by the way- did you call the clinic about that bun in yer oven yet? Ya know the cost on that procedure goes up the longer ya wait darlin'-- better go git rid of it now....

The Gettysburg address don't say nuthin' 'bout abortion in it... nuthin'....


548 posted on 11/14/2006 11:01:51 PM PST by eeevil conservative (Religious Zealot from the Right Wing Church of Hate...............)
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To: DCBandita
WHY - if my moral matrix says that abortion is NOT murder and a matter of personal choice up to a certain time, would anyone tell me that I couldn't have one?

Is there anything, by this reasoning, that one's own "moral matrix" could not excuse?

549 posted on 11/14/2006 11:01:51 PM PST by Washi (Support the country you live in, or go live in the country you support.)
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To: Pyro7480

Very appropriate indeed.


550 posted on 11/14/2006 11:05:32 PM PST by darkangel82 (Everyone has the right to be an idiot, but on DU they abuse the privilege.)
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To: eeevil conservative; DCBandita

You have, unwittingly, FRMail.

This, frankly, is worth watching.


551 posted on 11/14/2006 11:11:10 PM PST by IslandJeff (FR mail me to be added to the Type I Diabetes ping list)
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To: IslandJeff

LOL!!!!

Could be fun!

;-)


552 posted on 11/14/2006 11:13:28 PM PST by eeevil conservative (Religious Zealot from the Right Wing Church of Hate...............)
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To: DCBandita

When he was sentenced to hang, he was shouting to allah. You aren't saying we should not have removed him from power, are you?


553 posted on 11/15/2006 3:35:37 AM PST by beckysueb
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To: beckysueb

After reading further posts from HE/SHE/IT, whoever it is, I'm inclined to believe this person isn't slumming, probably some kind of Democrat blog operative out trying to figure out the stance of the conservative right after the election and to "try out" some reasonable "moderate" arguments....subjects touched on here range the full gamut: guns, religion, abortion, WMDs and IRAQ, you name it. This person is not who some on this thread thinks they are.....


554 posted on 11/15/2006 3:47:05 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer
This person is not who some on this thread thinks they are.....

Interesting thought. For someone who entered this thread "just wanting a candidate who would be conservative without all the social stuff", they've certainly spent a lot of time in this thread arguing to the left of all the social stuff....
555 posted on 11/15/2006 3:50:03 AM PST by beezdotcom
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To: DCBandita

Media constantly harping on Republican "scandal" whether real or trumped up, while ignoring democrat scandal. The impression that the Republican Congress did nothing which was due in part to McCains gang of fourteen. Republicans moving too far left. I know, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to whine about Republicans moving too far left, then helping to put in radical lefties just to prove a point.


556 posted on 11/15/2006 3:51:05 AM PST by beckysueb
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To: Miss Marple
Who speaks for the unborn?

God.

557 posted on 11/15/2006 3:53:08 AM PST by beckysueb
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To: beezdotcom

Call it "political field research" Get out there find out what makes the "best of the best" (FR conservatives) argue amongst themselves, what creates dissention, what stumps them. Then, report back to DNC or whatever rabid liberal group they belong to so they can put it in their talking points papers for the MSM come the 2008 elections. They don't need it right now, they've got two years, but they're getting very devious. I wouldn't provide them the learning opportunity....


558 posted on 11/15/2006 3:55:08 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: DCBandita
no serious attempt to address the economic divide, etc. Moral issues aside, I didn't see a lot of real legislation out of the Republican-led Congress under the Republican White House

Maybe its not governments job to hold a persons hand from cradle to grave.

559 posted on 11/15/2006 3:56:24 AM PST by beckysueb
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To: DCBandita
"I had a friend growing up who was pro-life and found herself with an unwanted pregnancy at a young age."

Heres where your reasoning is flawed. She didn't just "find herself pregnant." She did something to cause it. Liberals always act like women just suddenly wake up pregnant and now it has to be fixed. My sister "found herself pregnant" at 15. Her boyfriend was 17. They got married and had their baby along with 3 more over the years. They struggled over the years but they made it because they knew at the very young age of 15 and 17 that they had made a baby and they owed him his life. They have been married 41 years now. My sister in law and brother in law did the same at the same age. They were 15 and 18. And I know for a fact that even if abortion had been available then, they wouldn't have done it. One more thing about this story, my sisters firstborn is mentally challenged. I don't exactly know the politically correct word for it. But they love him as much s they do their 3 daughters. My sister in laws youngest is, too. But their answer to that is that God chose them to be the parents of these children so they would have a good life. Amazing at the wisdom coming from people so young.

560 posted on 11/15/2006 4:15:56 AM PST by beckysueb
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