IAEA Finds Unexplained Plutonium, Enriched Uranium Traces in Iran Waste Facility

FoxNews ^ | 11/14/06 | AP

[dinoparty]

IAEA: Unexplained Plutonium, Enriched Uranium Traces Found in Iran

VIENNA, Austria — Experts from the have found unexplained and traces in a nuclear waste facility in Iran and have asked Tehran for an explanation, an IAEA report said Tuesday.

The report, prepared for next week's meeting of the 35-nation IAEA, also faulted Tehran for not cooperating with the agency's attempts to investigate suspicious aspects of Iran's nuclear program that have lead to fears it might be interested in developing nuclear arms.

The four-page report made available to The Associated Press also confirmed that Iran has continued uranium enrichment experiments in defiance of the U.N. Security Council.

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[penelopesire]

"If we had attacked Iran instead, I'm sure it would have been even more difficult."

If we had 'attacked' (your word, not mine) Iran instead of Iraq in 2003...one of 20 or more possible scenarios could have unfolded. The one scenario that would NOT HAVE UNFOLDED...is the one we are looking at now!

IRAN WITH A NUCLEAR WEAPON!

Isn't hindsight a beautiful thing! (being snarky on purpose...nothing personal).

I have not posted on Freepers since the Friday before the election...and since our loss, it has taken a bit of momentum to get motivated to even fight back against the so called democrat 'tide'.

Folks, the ONLY thing that should be on our minds right now...is the survival of our country!! Polls are already showing a bit of 'buyer's remorse' in regards to the 'electorate' ushering in the LIBS!!

GOD SAVE OUR COUNTRY and BLESS OUR MILITARY! The Libs are fixing to cement a victory for Al Qaeda and every muslim fanatic in the WHOLE WIDE WORLD by pulling our troops out of Iraq or cutting funding for the mission in sneaky ways!!

Congrats....Cut N Run Conservatives!! Congrats RINOS!! Congrats 'bipartisan, limp wristed, impotent republicans'... THE DEMS WON!! Are you happy now?

ARGHHHHHHHH........

lol..just blowing off a little steam..a week later, after I have had time to 'digest' it all!!

[FreedomNeocon]

They are still in the very early phase of engineering and actually assembling a sufficiently large enough series cascade gas centrifuge system capable of producing sufficient amounts of highly enriched uranium, where I am talking about a percentage in the high eightees or low nineties which would provide them with what we call weapon grade uranium.

Therefore, they either have gotten very small amounts of plutonium form say NK, China, Russia, or Pakistan for experimenting with, e.g. nuclear hot lab processes for instance, or they have accquire the stuff via. some other means.

Your "argument" is filled with two MAJOR assumptions, and you know what happens when you ASS-U-ME right?

One, you take at face value what they say the capabilities are... that is what we know for fact and what they have admitted to (in terms of centrifuges and production lines), which IF they had a secret parallel program (with the 'public' one used for diplomacy and the real one for capability) would be BLOWN out of the water. So you basically assume they are not hiding anything more.

Two, you assume that IF they didn't produce it themselves, then they must 'have a small amount for experimental purposes', which has no basis in fact (as you said the article was lacking in specifics) but judging from the IAEA's past I'd think it couldn't be "minuscule" anything if they actually called them on it. I could just as easily assume they have a large amount, enough in fact to assemble and entire bomb on the same basis.

Do you feel lucky? Well... do ya?

[antiunion person]

I only have three words to say about this. NO S**T SHERLOCK. Does no one really expect this to happen??

[Watery Tart]

Hi, Merlinator! I agree with you. And it's a good thing we can't elect this guy again in 2008! Instead, a tireless search for the perfect person who does everything correctly has been going on for years. Isn't it good that we can come to FR and see who everyone backs for the next Presidential election? Me neither...

And I think old Vlad the Impaler of Russia needs to replace saddam's payments -- what better way that than to sell nukes to Ahmageddonouttahere in Iran?

[easternsky]

I say we dont cut and run, on W but instead we pray and and see what God will do with this mess.

[tomnbeverly]

Thank the Democrats they emboldened a new generation of Isalmic radicals... Undermining the President during his prosecution of the WOT has made America less safe.

[Brian Allen]

<< Short memory, eh? ......

... If you thought Iraq was difficult, just imagine what it would have been like going into Iran in 2003, with no bitch document. >>

Something like "going into" Hiroshima on August 6 and Nagasaki on August 9, I'd imagine.

Imagine that!

[Marine_Uncle]

I don't believe in luck. But I have no objections whatsover in your rebutal. Of course what you write I to have considered. It would be foolish at best to not carefully consider what you wrote.
However. Based on the many what turned out to be inaccurate articles written by so many different sources that made claims to huge numbers of fully functional P2 type centrifuges being obtained from sources in Pak, Germany, Ukraine, we then found out they most probably only had about 1000 or so.
Fully short of some 50,000 units properly synchronized along with a lot of other semi-automated as well as manual process in place required to create a uranium bomb.
We have to keep in mind, and I am not going to go into the long explainations I did earlier on, as to how many different things must be put into place in order to achieve both the engineering and manufacturing techniques reguired to process sufficient amounts of greater then 85% U235. Unless they are obtaining large amounts of pure UF6 gas from Pakistan or China, then they must perfect a number of metelargical processes to get from yellow cake to UF6.
And we are not be shown if they have put in place the required industrial processes to mass produce the gas at this point.
One could have all the proper type centrifuges in place and simply not have the large quantities of UF6 feed stock for a long time.
And that is why I believe the time frame was adjusted up for public consumption some months back.
But surely I do not trust the bastards period. And as I had commented twice in the recent past on this issue, I believe we are waiting for the next generation of super deep penetrator ordnance systems to be perfected. Once our military is happy with how deep the bombs can go into solid bed rock, e.g. greater then 150 feet or more, then I am all for us simply doing a pre-emptive strike on all their known underground facilites and of course all facilites relating even remotely to nuclear programs above ground, and making it clear we will also take out their petrochemical and gasoline refining plants etc., at our discretion.
I am not wimply on ripping them a new one believe me. I just am not knee jerking on mostly contradicting reports we get and how the L/MSM play out the little info that has been made public.

[AmishDude]

Something like "going into" Hiroshima on August 6 and Nagasaki on August 9, I'd imagine.

What? Idiot.

[Brian Allen]

<< What?

-- Idiot. >>

Oh, sorry, Idiot.

Thought I was addressing Amish Dude's inquiry.

[Marine_Uncle]

I should have added something along this line based on your statement:
"but judging from the IAEA's past I'd think it couldn't be "minuscule" anything if they actually called them on it. I could just as easily assume they have a large amount, enough in fact to assemble and entire bomb on the same basis."

Likewise you are making assumptions.
We where never given any idea as how much enriched uranium was found nor at what level of enrichment was found.
It is one thing for say the Iranian president to hold a tiny capsule of what may have only been a miniscule, perhaps a few milligrams of perhaps 5% U235, up to the public announcing they where now a member of the nuclear club, and another thing to literally tens of thousands of times that amount at almost 85% greater enrichment level.
I continue to sense a lot of our FReeper readership due to no fault of their own do not have a good grasp as to how one manufactures weapon grade uranium, nor how one processes say spent fuel rods in order to then extract plutonium 239 in sufficient quantities to provide the core for a low yield atomic weapon.
It is not as simple a task as is advertised in these reports.
And arguments like some have used in the past as how the US was able to in the forties to manufacture both versions of the bomb do not stand up. We had all the associated manufacturing industries in place, that was required to obtain the required fission grade materials.
To be fair to both of us, as well as the whole FReeper community, at best these short narratives we write does little to outline the whole operation required to obtain reliable weapon grade uranium or plutonium.
And I hate to think I am brow beating any of us or in some way misleading.
I just do not think they are anywhere near having all the things in place to manufacture atomic weapons.
But I stress I don't trust them. They want to fabricate nuclear weapons. I have no doubt. I just do not think they are able to just yet to obtain by themselves the required quantities of uranium/plutonium required to assemble the weapons. And what would you have us do?
Would you like to see us drop a number of current generation deep penetrators onto a few of their sites, that most likely will not penetrate to the required deep we believe their facilites are at, and therefore not destroy the facilities.
This stuff is very complicated. Our Airforce is working on new generation deep penetrators that will be sufficient to get the job done. One cannot simply drop such ordnance onto a given site and then send in inspectors to go deep underground to see if the bombs took out the target. Any pre-emptive strike must be a total success. I'll leave it go at that.

[popdonnelly]

I'm shocked! Shocked that the IAEA actually found something. The Iranian who was in charge of cleaning that place up is in big trouble with the regime.

[PghBaldy]

Good points. Maybe I wasn't entirely clear. I voted a straight Republican ticket. I also support the war in Iraq now (though wish many things- one of which is we had killed Sadr in 2004...), and have done so since Powell's UN presentation. I was extrememly hesitant before the run-up. You are right abour Iran. I am VERY concerned about it. I also don't blame Bush for the supposed problems in Iraq.

[Phantom Lord]

President Bush needs to hone his foreign policies (this includes immigration).

His immigration policy is finely honed. Unfortunately for America, it is identical to the democrats.

[Phantom Lord]

I too was a big W supporter. Iraq is not what stopped me from being one. His absolute and total liberal domestic agenda, illegal alien lovefests, and spending only rivaled by FDR and LBJ turned me off a long time ago.

[Phantom Lord]

It wouldn't have made any difference. Americans are not listening any more.

100% true.

With the media celebration over the election and continual "it was about Iraq" and the people "want a change of direction" a poll comes out late yesterday or early today that 57% of Americans believe the democrats have NO PLAN for Iraq.

Yet the media built up the democrats prior to the election on changing course in Iraq and credited their victory with a changed course in Iraq.

Seems that is not the case now is it.

[daybreakcoming]

a poll comes out late yesterday or early today that 57% of Americans believe the democrats have NO PLAN for Iraq.

I despise polls but when poll after poll pre-election kept coming out with Iraq being the major point, I had to wonder who they were polling. Everyone I know wants a win there with no cut & run involved. And now if this unidentified poll is accurate......where were these 57% on Nov 7? Probably in states like mine where Repub seats were safe.

[quantfive]

"Allowing this to even take place is INSANE.
I can only hope our Jewish friends will bomb the shite' out of these nuclear facilities...God knows we won't."

Don't count on it. Look at the lack of balls with dealing with the Iranian backed Hezbollah. Israel pulled the same thing of half assed engagement we did in Iraq.

[quantfive]

"A huge W supporter, I keep telling myself the President has a face card down and isn't showing it yet, and that when he does, his approach to both Iraq and Iran will make sudden, irrefutable sense. The Gates appointment to SecDef troubles me no end, as did Tony Blair's remarks about including Syria and Iran (!) in the 'peace process', as did the President's 'open-ness to new ideas' statement.

If Iran gets the bomb, Iran will use the bomb. The mad mullahs and their badly dressed front-man aren't using hyperbole or calculated intimidation tactics when they talk about the destruction of Israel. They mean it--these guys don't speak in figurative abstractions or euphemisms. Their terrorist proxies' rhetoric about the destruction of the 'Great Satan' isn't just rhetoric, either; they mean it, too, and with even a few dozen low-yield dirty bombs or chemical/biological devices in the right places, they could some serious damage--although I think my country is a great deal stronger and more resilient than its enemies can ever fully know.

Now isn't the time for the President to falter in his resolve, and I doubt he has, but I wish he would offer his supporters (like me) some reassurance on this."

Sorry I am negative, Bush has only limited Presidential powers to strike Iran. Without the House and Senate we will do nothing to Iran and then Iran will build the bomb (I believe they have it already) and yes they will use it.

We lost much when we didn't complete the job in Iraq with overwhelming firepower when we had the chance. Another example of PC failed war, hearts and minds crap that caused America 50,000 lives in Vietnam and a million dead South Vietnamese when we pulled out.

[quantfive]

"We're not "turning our backs." Part of the strategy has to be that the EU finally gets onboard with taking care of Iran. This sort of thing takes a long time, as it's necessary to force the issue "just enough" without getting in too quickly. I think Iran will probably try to move faster now that the election is over, and their "friends" are in control of Congress. That's actually probably to our advantage."

I read national news the other day that Iran has proclaimed a right to ship missles and technology to it's allies. Hint hint Hezbollah aiming them at Israel. I said after the Israeli debacle that it wasn't going to be Katyusha rockets raining on Israel, it will be nuclear/chemical tipped rockets that hit her. Way to go Olmert you retard. Way to go Bush admin in not having the balls to finish the job. Now it is going to cost many, many more lives...