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Martinez to become new RNC chief
CNN ^ | November 13, 2006 | CNN

Posted on 11/13/2006 12:06:47 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet

Just breaking.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Government
KEYWORDS: 2008elections; breaking; constitutionparty; florida; hispandering; hispanichaters; intotheabyss; liberalgop; losers; losing2008; melmartinez; morehispandering; pandering; racefor2008; rino; rinonatlcommittee; shouldhavebeensteele; votelibertarian
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To: RNO1
I think the attitude is they do not need conservatives or so they think.

Last Tuesday should have taught them a lesson on that point. I can't say that it has, but it should have.

-PJ

761 posted on 11/14/2006 3:15:59 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Tancredo in 2008!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


762 posted on 11/14/2006 11:57:38 PM PST by Xeroes80 (Mark Levin is THE VOICE OF REASON)
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To: Political Junkie Too

"I would have thought that putting an African-American into the RCN chair would be the way to go."

It wouldn't have hurt. Black conservatives will always stay that way. It may have helped show that middle class blacks are welcomed. But compared to the growth of Mexicans, they don't compare. Blacks have been co-opted by the democrat party and the entitlement programs for so long, its like generational crack. Mexico is adjacent to the south, not the Congo. And THAT probably had a lot of bearing on the decision for Mel. Plus, Castro will die soon and ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLl those cubans will want investment. Raul will be overthrown, and Cuba will be a great place to get a tequila, if you believe the CIA reports. If blacks don't watch it, they may go the way of the American Indian. At least the indian has some resurgence with the casinos and smoke shops. What it the general culture of blacks? Rap? Sports? Thug mentality? bitches, ho's? baby got back? I think many conservative blacks look at that, and say, uh uh, no way for my kids. They get it. Blacks need a non-racist Louis Farrakhan to come forth. And Alan Keyes without the sweat.


763 posted on 11/15/2006 4:51:29 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: RNO1
He sure has taken this party down a risky road....I think the attitude is they do not need conservatives or so they think. I cannot stand Martinez...He is a open border advocate...

I disagree. President Bush is not an idiot. He knows exactly what road he's taking the party down. A lot of this goes back to when he was Governor of Texas.

It just so happens to be a road that neither you or I plan on using anytime soon.

The fact that we are seeing some RINOs putting together groups to study their potential for a Presidential run speaks volumes.

Since last week, I've been saying that this is a chance for true conservatives to take back the party. President Bush and others are trying to head us off at the pass.

The GOP leadership knows they can't win without conservatives, and at the same time, they'll fight us all the way in our efforts to return the party to its base, because the GOP we want and the GOP the RINOs, country club Republicans, etc., want are not the same party.

They've held this attitude "if you don't support us, you'll get democrats running the show" over our heads. Well, we now have democrats running the show, and so now, temporarily at least, conservatives and moderates/leftists in the GOP are on even ground.

Make no mistake my friends, the RINOs are trying to stop conservatives like us before we get out of the starting gate and get some traction going.
764 posted on 11/15/2006 6:22:15 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Tulsa Ramjet; All

Martinez as head of RNC =

Victory for party cronyism under Bush, not ideas, not conservatism

A slap at conservative black American's like Steele

A SOP to Hispanics, open borders, and to crony-capitalists and political cronyism on both sides of the border

Reaching out the the Washington D.C. GOP elites, not the base of the party

Bush angrily getting back at the base of his own party, because he did have the cajones to angrily respond to Vicente Fox, when Fox told Bush, in not so many words, "to hell with you you", when Bush tried to politely ask Fox to do something about all the illegals crossing the border.

The elites that have been abandoning the people that built the party (created the voting majorities) have decided to go off into the desert of minority status so as not to abandon their elitist, globalist, one-government for North America goals. They expect their elitist Dim friends to carry-on the project for them in the meantime.


765 posted on 11/15/2006 11:21:31 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Wuli

"The elites that have been abandoning the people that built the party"

Well,......YeaAH!
You only so many years to truly enjoy the spoils of the material world as an adult. Why not get what you can while you are here? Corruption is another word for "elected." The only true president was Washington, because he was already well off, and didn't want the job. Since then, the politicos have been haggling ever since. And they know what's best for all.

What we need is:

one term for the president. No pressure to get relected.

If 60% of successful his/her party base is fed up, then he can be recalled, and the party submits someone else to finish out the term.

Any judge that the president appoints, at the end of his term, gets an up or down vote from the party base. This keeps those lying scoundrels out who misrepresent.

Representatives get four-year terms, staggered. They can get relected.

Oh, and every kid in the summer attends jrotc, religious studies of their choosing, or works in a non-profit or charitable capacity. No hanging out at 7/11.


766 posted on 11/15/2006 11:44:37 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Sorry, as disgruntled as I am, I prefer the Constitutional Republic we have to your more pure form of democracy. There is a reason why the founders gave us a Republic and NOT a democracy. Democracy without any republican (small r) constraints leads to law determined by mob rule and tryanny sanctioned by the mob, without legal recourse.

I believe voters have all the "term limits" leverage they need - vote for someone else.


767 posted on 11/15/2006 11:56:30 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Wuli

"I believe voters have all the "term limits" leverage they need - vote for someone else."

Do you believe, the founding fathers envisioned the political, campaigning, lobbyist, deal-cutting fiasco that we have today?


768 posted on 11/15/2006 12:03:08 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Have you ever read the historical reviews of the third presidential election? They make todays times seem restricted and tame.

What the founders did not anticipate was socialism and the growth of the footprint of the federal government in the affairs of the national economy, and in our personal affairs.

Much of the corruption is the result of the natural tendency to seek political assistance, in government, when government has intruded itself into so many of our decisions.

When businesses and people can't get government out of their lives, they seek political leverage to offset the political leverage of others, in government policies that either injure or assist them.

Reduce government regulation, reduce government entitlements, reduce government funded solutions to many personal and business issues and you will invariably reduce a good deal of the corruption.

The size of the tendency toward and malignancy of government corruption is relative to the distance of the government from the home. That government that you have the most ability to help govern well (and help produce less corruption) is that government that governs least, and/or governs closest to home.


769 posted on 11/15/2006 12:21:06 PM PST by Wuli
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To: af_vet_rr
Very good statements....I have stated before this election and now after....If this party does not get back to its Conservative values then this is only the start of a bad day for all of us that are conservatives....There is to much at stake to head to the middle...I believe that our Country is now at risk with just this mid term election...We can change that with a win in the Presidential election..It is not going to happen if those in charge of this party do not go back to what got them there in the first place...If they pass a guest worker program with citizenship as a reward....Then I do not know what I am going to do....We are in a bad place...We sometimes have to hold our nose and vote but I think that we have to change and demand that conservative values be at the head of the list to get our suopport...
770 posted on 11/15/2006 12:30:31 PM PST by RNO1 (POW's Never Ever Have A Good Day)
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To: Happy Valley Dude
>> He is the pick of the "Affirmation action" wing the GOP who wants to appoint people on the basis of skin color. Because he's white? <<

Huh? What planet are you living on? Mel Martinez (shown above, by himself and with some "white" bankers) is NOT white and has never "passed" for white, he's a tan-skinned Mestizo of cuban ancestry.

IF he were a light-skinned caucasian Senator named Melvin Van Martin and had the SAME "record" as he does now, his nomination would be a joke.

If Bush is so desperate to pick an "Hispanic" for RNC chair, let him find someone QUALIFIED for the position.

771 posted on 11/17/2006 5:25:03 PM PST by BillyBoy (ILLINOIS ELECTION "CHOICES:" Rod Bag-o-$hit or Judas Barf Too-Pinka)
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