Posted on 11/10/2006 1:29:10 AM PST by xtinct
Newly re-elected Sen. Joe Lieberman has been promised by Sen. Harry Reid – who is in line to become the next Senate Majority Leader – that he will support Lieberman’s efforts to become chairman of the powerful Homeland Security Committee.
In a private phone call on Wednesday, Nevada’s Reid told Lieberman that he would recognize Lieberman as the senior Democrat on the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, which would facilitate Lieberman’s move into the post.
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Uhh, he voted against Alito.
When loopy Democrats throw firebombs at President Bush, many pundits, media analyzers, and Republicans chalk it off to partisan ranting.
By his backhanded, non-stop criticisms of GWB early in the Administration, McCain became the "go to" darling of the AP, Reuters, UPI, WashPost, NYTimes, and every other leftist with a grudge against the President.
Even when McCain DID vote with conservatives, he would preface it with umpteen media interviews where he would backhandedly put down President Bush.
If those antedoctal reasons aint enough, here are some cold hard facts:
1)McCain believes in global warming, and says he will side with Kyoto type legislation.
2)He opposes the one man/one woman marriage amendment.
3)For three years, he has been "demanding" Rummy step down.
4)He accused the Bush Admin. of "torturing" detainees, and passed legislation giving terrorists new civil rights.
5)He supports embryonic stem cell research, although he didn't say what size or viability of embryo.
6)Me sides with the Democrats on giving illegal aliens AMNESTY.
7)The McCain/Feingold bill has damaged Republicans in untold ways.
8)He supported the 'gang of 14" lunacy which goes AGAINST the US Constitution.
IN ALL THESE ISSUES, McCain has gone out of his way to paint the President as out of touch.
IF YOU NEED ANY MORE REASONS, you are a certified McCainiac and nothing will change your mind.
Minor issue. Even at that, one Conservatives shouldn't decide right out of the box. I'm against Kyoto because it won't work. Do I believe in Global Warming? No. Do I KNOW it isn't happening or isn't caused by humans? Also no.
2)He opposes the one man/one woman marriage amendment.
He's said he'd support it if the SC reads the right of gay marriage into the Constitution. That's a sensible position. Frankly, I agree with him on that one. If possible, it is an issue that should be left up to the states. Till the courts make it a federal issue, I personally don't see the reason for amending the Constitution.
3)For three years, he has been "demanding" Rummy step down.
No, he hasn't. He's voiced some disagreements with him, and has called his judgement into question, but he has pointedly not called on him to resign.
4)He accused the Bush Admin. of "torturing" detainees, and passed legislation giving terrorists new civil rights.
No, he hasn't. The first part of your statement is flat out wrong, the second part is only true if you warp the definitions so badly it's beyond recognition.
Both the National Review and the WH said that the compromise they came to was a good one. If we become the party that's totally unconcerned about civil rights, I won't be part of the party. Give leeway to the President in war time? Fine, but I don't have a problem with the compromise.
5)He supports embryonic stem cell research, although he didn't say what size or viability of embryo.
That's true, but so does Orrin Hatch and a number of other folks who have strong pro-life records. I'm not taking a position either way, but you can be a good man on either side of this arguement IMHO.
6)Me sides with the Democrats on giving illegal aliens AMNESTY.
I'm not going to bother debating your definition of Amnesty, which is probably the asinine Tancredo version of it, but even if so, he agrees with flaming RINO's like GWB and Sam Brownback.
7)The McCain/Feingold bill has damaged Republicans in untold ways.
Actually, it's helped Republicans. A LOT. It might have damaged the Constitution, but it's helped Republicans. And even if you are right, Bush signed the damn thing.
8)He supported the 'gang of 14" lunacy which goes AGAINST the US Constitution.
Wrong on a whole host of things.
Nobody, I repeat, nobody, at least nobody with any credibility, thinks the Gang of 14 deal was unconstitutional. It's clearly not. It's just a deal a bunch of Senators made amongst themselves.
You can argue the filibuster is unconstitutional, true, but that's not the same thing.
And it isn't clear that we ever had the votes to push the Nuke button, and given Frist's track record, I certainly wouldn't trust him on it. Given that, it's hard to say the deal didn't actually get us Roberts and Alito, as well as Pryor, Owens, Rogers-Brown etc.
Well...color ME a nut, then too. I believe in ALL of that.
Most Mexicans don't work in the business of picking fruit or any crop. That's myth. Most of them work in the construction industry and they're the primary reason the wages for a carpenter have been forced downward from an average $14 per hour, a livable wage for an American citizen to $7 per hour which is just right for an illegal to send home to Mexico while collecting welfare, healthcare and sending their kids to the public schools.
I saw firsthand the havoc wrought by a flood of immigrants: Having been born & raised in Miami, FL I saw the result of the Mariel Boatlift. Murder, robbery and gangrape up over 400% inside of one year. We are still paying the price today. We need a 100% moratorium on all immigration for a minimum of five to ten years to better absorb what we've gotten so far. We are in danger of losing our national cultural identity. Multiculturalism is the culprit.
When MY dad got here from Russia (legally) in 1919 he set about becoming 100% American. Not a Russian-American! He learned English, graduated from Miami High and went to M.I.T where he graduated at the top of his class. He started his own engineering business and rose to the top of his profession. He died in 1980. He paid his taxes and contributed greatly to the betterment of American society. Back then the country was bigger and there was less population. We could afford the upswing in immigrants. More importantly they wanted above all else to be AMERICAN! Yes they kept the cultural flavor of their homeland like the food and the language...but second to English! THOSE immigrants became the strength of America.
I teach high school in the inner city. We have lots of illegal immigrants maybe 25% of the student population. Those kids make me furious. All they want to do is to TAKE & TAKE & TAKE. They have no interest in giving back whatsoever. They identify themselves as anything but "American." In fact, they loathe "real" Americans. You know what? The public school systems encourage this!
I make all my students stand for the Pledge of Allegiance in the mornings. They're not required to repeat the pledge, but they must be quiet and respectful. I tell them that if I were in their country and the national anthem were played, I would pay it the proper respect. They're damn sure going to do at least that much in my presence. I tell them the fact that at least eight of my friends paid the ultimate sacrifice for that flag and for them to be disrespectful of that sacrifice is in my opinion like urinating on their graves. When I put it like that, they stop and pay attention.
So yes, the influx of illegals is an extremely destructive influence on the country! I guarantee you that the way to stop the invasion is to build another Berlin Wall along our border. Don't buy that crud that it won't work that a 50 foot wall will bring a 51 foot ladder. What a load of liberal whining crap! Lemme tell you, when the Berlin Wall was in top form whenever anybody made it out....even one person it became international news! A properly constructed barrier coupled with a DMZ style "no-man's land and 99.9999% of the illegals will stop. There will be no more incursions by the Mexican army running security for the drug cartels (over 200 times in the last ten years)! No more MS13's smuggling AQ over the border and maybe some WMD too. You think Tancredo is a nut? You remiind me of the old saying about being up to your A$$ in alligators and forgetting the original mission was to drain the swamp!
He's not against all immigration. This is a quote from page 109 of his book: I am not saying we should slam the doors on all immigration. But what I am suggesting is it is important to review as a nation the effects of massive immigration and whether or not we feel the price is about right or if it is far too steep. The number of illegals flooding into the nation each year will top 3 MILLION by the end of this year. That's enough to fill 22,000 Boeing 737's and enough for sixty flights a day for a year. That's according to the very liberal Time magazine's investigation last year.
You joined in 2003 according to the "about" page, but it makes no mention of where you live. So where ARE YOU? Someplace not as impacted by the invasion as the border states with Mexico or South Florida? You know those poor ranchers down on the Texas/Arizona/etc border have been left twisting in the wind by our government? They are being terrorized by illegals. Raped, murdered and vandalized into bankruptcy. They are all armed, all the time for the sake of survival. If they have to shoot, our government prosecutes them. Or worse a patrol of Mexican special forces comes in to to burn them out. With the help of MS13. I say again, where are you that you can afford to espouse this liberal mantra you seem to be sloshing like pig slop all over freeper-land?
"I like that idea and then Lieberman and Jeb Bush in '08. "
I'm done with the Bush family. The first one was a disapointing RINO. The second one is becoming more of a RINO everyday. Fool me once, shame on you Fool me twice, shame on me. I won't get fooled a third time!
lieberman is a suck up, spineless,weasel,liberal on everything except the war on terror DEMOCRAT!! screw him!! hed vote for hairy greed with or without his "bribe"
NEVER. Lieberman is a flaming liberal... he will NEVER join the republican party
Balderdash. Most absolutely do not collect welfare, that's pure fantasy. Most are afraid of getting caught, so they don't participate in government programs like that at all. Find me one credible study that shows most of them are on welfare. You can't.
It IS true that they use public schools, and it IS true that their emergency room visits drain local government revenues. But if you think a county government losing some money is some sort of huge threat equal to, say, Al-Quada or our dependence on Saudi Arabian oil...well, I'm not even going to bother.
And yes, some do work in construction, not most. Most do work doing agracutural work. They certainly do all up and down the west coast and in New Mexico, Arizona and Texas. But so what? Why can't they do construction work? Again, I agree with you that the process should be legal, i.e. we should have a guest worker program that makes sure they aren't crooks, that makes sure they pay taxes (Many of them still do, but that's another story), but the fact that they do work cheaply is good, not bad. Please, don't whine to me about lower wages due to competition, and then claim to be a conservative. That's classic economic protectionism straight out of Sharrod Brown's playbook.
I saw firsthand the havoc wrought by a flood of immigrants: Having been born & raised in Miami, FL I saw the result of the Mariel Boatlift. Murder, robbery and gangrape up over 400% inside of one year.
Uhh, HELLO?!?!? Are you this unaware of history? Castro shipped us everybody he had in prison, not garden variety Cubans. You aren't seriously going to argue that these are typical immigrants, are you?
When MY dad got here from Russia (legally) in 1919 he set about becoming 100% American. Not a Russian-American! He learned English, graduated from Miami High and went to M.I.T where he graduated at the top of his class. He started his own engineering business and rose to the top of his profession. He died in 1980. He paid his taxes and contributed greatly to the betterment of American society.
Good for him. Need more like him.
Back then the country was bigger and there was less population. We could afford the upswing in immigrants.
Balderdash. America is one of the least crowded industrialized countries in the world. We've got more space then we know what to do with by any objective standard.
More importantly they wanted above all else to be AMERICAN! Yes they kept the cultural flavor of their homeland like the food and the language...but second to English! THOSE immigrants became the strength of America.
And why do you assume that most Mexicans aren't like that? Because Tancredo says so?
I teach high school in the inner city. We have lots of illegal immigrants maybe 25% of the student population. Those kids make me furious. All they want to do is to TAKE & TAKE & TAKE. They have no interest in giving back whatsoever. They identify themselves as anything but "American." In fact, they loathe "real" Americans. You know what? The public school systems encourage this!
That's unfortunate, but frankly, even if you are right, (to me, it sounds like a gross overgeneralization) I think the "TAKE TAKE TAKE" mentality isn't unique to immigrants nowadays. I think a lot of kids have that mentality. I wouldn't accept without more proof then your say so that they are some sort of anomaly. Even if you are right, I might start to resent people when I know that my parents work hard, who's only crime was to want a job, and all those around them can say is they would rather them not be here.
I make all my students stand for the Pledge of Allegiance in the mornings. They're not required to repeat the pledge, but they must be quiet and respectful. I tell them that if I were in their country and the national anthem were played, I would pay it the proper respect. They're damn sure going to do at least that much in my presence. I tell them the fact that at least eight of my friends paid the ultimate sacrifice for that flag and for them to be disrespectful of that sacrifice is in my opinion like urinating on their graves. When I put it like that, they stop and pay attention.
Nice. What's this have to do with anything exactly?
So yes, the influx of illegals is an extremely destructive influence on the country! I guarantee you that the way to stop the invasion is to build another Berlin Wall along our border. Don't buy that crud that it won't work that a 50 foot wall will bring a 51 foot ladder. What a load of liberal whining crap! Lemme tell you, when the Berlin Wall was in top form whenever anybody made it out....even one person it became international news! A properly constructed barrier coupled with a DMZ style "no-man's land and 99.9999% of the illegals will stop. There will be no more incursions by the Mexican army running security for the drug cartels (over 200 times in the last ten years)! No more MS13's smuggling AQ over the border and maybe some WMD too. You think Tancredo is a nut? You remiind me of the old saying about being up to your A$$ in alligators and forgetting the original mission was to drain the swamp!
Umm, yah, you know why? BECAUSE THE SHOT ANYBODY WHO TRIED!
Sorry, if you are actually in favor of shooting people who dare to try to come here for a job, legal or illegal, I think you are insane. Literally.
And the entire country of East Germany isn't nearly as long as our borders with Canada and Mexico. Not even close.
And it's worth noting, that our border guard has caught FAR more people from the Middle East trying to come over the border in Canada (literally twice as many) then Mexico. And that's a longer border with less guards. If you ever think you are ever going to beat terrorism at the border, you aren't thinking clearly. Isolationism simply doesn't work in an age with Jets.
He's not against all immigration. This is a quote from page 109 of his book: I am not saying we should slam the doors on all immigration. But what I am suggesting is it is important to review as a nation the effects of massive immigration and whether or not we feel the price is about right or if it is far too steep. The number of illegals flooding into the nation each year will top 3 MILLION by the end of this year. That's enough to fill 22,000 Boeing 737's and enough for sixty flights a day for a year. That's according to the very liberal Time magazine's investigation last year.
The flaw in his arguement is the same flaw as most liberal arguements: it ignores economic reality. You simply cannot make laws that ignore supply and demand. The laws won't work. See: Prohibition.
Bottom line is there are people just south of our border who are willing to do jobs cheaply, jobs we want done. And they'll find a way to get here. If we build a fence, they'll dig under it or go over it. They'll take a boat. They'll bribe border guards. Whatever.
Will it cut down on it? Sure, somewhat, but not significantly given enough time.
What's worse, the problem is that there are a whole multitude of undesirable effects of doing that. First off, it's bad for the economy. Low wages increases productivity, which leads to cheaper products, which leads to people having more disposable income, which leads to more demand for things, etc. (Actually, that's another point the anti-immigration crowd lost me. Whenever you bring up the economy, they bring up lost tax revenue, as if the amount of tax revenue being brought in is what makes a good economy.) From an economic standpoint, it's EXACTLY the same thing as free trade.
Not to mention, the harder you make it to fill these, the more desperate methods they use to get accross, and the less desirable people you have coming over.
People like to say of the 1986 Amnesty that we got the Amnesty but not the enforcement. That's patantly untrue. What we got was the Amnesty and enforcement that didn't work. The laws ignored supply and demand, and thus didn't accomplish much. People just found ways around them, like they will continue to do as long as the demand is great enough.
In 1996, we got an 'enfocement only' immigration bill as well. Bush has continually, throught his term in office, upped spending on border guards and security. All it's done, is create cyotes, professional thugs, basically, who exploit people who want jobs and promise to get them accross the border. Matter of fact, there is some speculation that all that the increased border security has done is made it MORE effecient to get accoss the border, because now people can make money at figuring out how to get accross, and thus they have an insentive to find new and better ways to do it.
You joined in 2003 according to the "about" page, but it makes no mention of where you live. So where ARE YOU? Someplace not as impacted by the invasion as the border states with Mexico or South Florida? You know those poor ranchers down on the Texas/Arizona/etc border have been left twisting in the wind by our government?
I live in Southern California, thank you very much.
They are being terrorized by illegals. Raped, murdered and vandalized into bankruptcy. They are all armed, all the time for the sake of survival. If they have to shoot, our government prosecutes them. Or worse a patrol of Mexican special forces comes in to to burn them out.
Oh please! I've rarely heard such insane hyperbole in my life. Even if you are right, what makes you think immigrants are different from anybody else? Why are they worse then any other common street punk? I see a lot of non immigrants doing crimes too.
And again, it would be a lot easier to root out the ones that were bad if we were to increase legal immigration. And think of it this way: if we allow more legitimate immigrants, who want to work and are going to have jobs, it'll be a WHOLE lot easier for border patrol to catch the bad ones, the drug dealers, the terrorist etc. When you filter out all the harmless ones, it's a lot easier to catch the bad ones.
I say again, where are you that you can afford to espouse this liberal mantra you seem to be sloshing like pig slop all over freeper-land?
I say again: live in Southern California, and I'm not the one expousing economic protectionism. And if beliving in supply and demand and free markets is liberal, then yes, I'm a crazy liberal. But I'm proud of my company in people like Sam Brownback and the CATO Institute.
And EVEN IF every point you said was right, and EVEN IF you ignored all the things I mentioned that you didn't talk about, and EVEN IF you ignored all the positive things, it STILL wouldn't be the greatest threat to our country. Not even close.
I'll reasses that statement when a Mexican migrant worker flys a jetliner into a large building. But for some reason, I don't think that's gonna happen anytime soon.
We all knew he would caucus with the Dems and it was made clear before the election that if they one he would keep his seniority. Nothing surprising here.
Do you object to pork, or just Dem pork?
"Oh, please, Joe! Caucus with us! Please please please please pretty please with sugar on top? All is forgiven...really!"
Liberman as head of Security. Should we take a poll in the Middle East to see how it will go over. I wonder how soon the conspiracy theories about Jews running America will start.
....Actually, Maybe it's not that bad of an idea. Anything that will get them bothered.
OFFICIAL TESTIMONY BEFORE CONGRESS
Yes, illegal immigrants DO commit more crimes than our citizens. Gee you are such a bleeding heart liberal! Your Berlin Wall argument is full of holes, too. Yes there were gun positions but the effect was deterrence and they were rarely needed. The deterrent was effective. As far as our borders are concerned, we don't need riflemen to shoot illegals crossing. But the Mexican army and the MS13 should be shot on sight when in our territory.
The barrier plus our desert will be enough of a deterrent. Both can't be crossed as sequential hurdles.
In actuality, the barrier is simply the cheaper long term alternative. In the short term a LOT could be accomplished by stationing our military on our borders (the task for which it was specifically created in the US Constitution) with appropriate rules of engagement. Give the landowners along the border military radios and instruct them on how to use the SALUTE format for reporting illegal movement across their land. Have a Bradley and an Apache gunship available to respond. A gunship battalion can cover hundreds of miles of border.
Joe's just being coy with the rats because he knows he can get more mileage out of them if they're wary of which direction he's going to go. If Joe feints right, as he has lately, the rats will bribe him with a plum committee chair to keep him from defecting.
The country isn't going to vote another Bush into the oval office - not that soon, anyway.
A single important difference between Joe and other senate rats is that he actually wants what's good for this country in terms of the WoT. He understands he has to be fought and won, not talked to (our) death.
He's dead wrong about just about everything else, but the one thing he is right about is the most important. He remembers the holacaust and he sees what the Islamofascists are up to.
Let me put it this way - I'd rather see Lieberman in the position than Lincoln Chafee, and I can name others.
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