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What Republicans need to learn from tonight...
11/07/06 | Philistone

Posted on 11/07/2006 8:02:25 PM PST by Philistone

The most important thing that Republicans should learn from tonight is that America is a representative democracy.

This does NOT mean that your congress critter shares ALL your beliefs, or that he is a perfect human being, but rather that, in general, he votes the way you want him to.

It's like hiring a lawyer. You may despise his personal life and his principles, but what is important is that he WINS YOUR CASE.

Democraps could care less about the morals of their elected officials as long as they win.

Republicans could learn a lesson here...


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To: Philistone

What the Republicans need to learn from tonight is that you can't buy your enemies love. No amount of money or power sharing or ass kissing will get you one vote from the people who hate you and when you do those things, i.e., NCLB, Medicare expansion, Amensty for illegals etc., you run the risk of losing your base.

Another lesson they need to learn is that if you are a Republican, and I don't necessarily think this true with the Dems base, you have to listen once in awhile to what your base is telling you. Our President, his handlers, the Senate and to a lesser extent the House does a terible job of listening to the people who vote them into office.

Thirdly, right or wrong a lot of Republicans will not vote for perverts and crooks. The Democrat base doesn't seem to care about such things, but a large number of Republicans do.

And lastly I think a lot of the vote tonight was influenced by the war in Iraq. Many on here will never allow themselves to admit that there may need to be changes made in how we are handling Iraq, but the facts are it is a huge issue for a lot of voters. Not all of those people who voted against the handling of the war are against the war. Many are against what they see as aimless wandering in the desert with no real plan to win and no real plan to get out. A good number of those people are not Cut and Run people they are plan and win people, and they don't see that we have a plan nor an administration willing to admit it. I do not compare Iraq to Vietnam in any sense other than the sense that in both wars there came a time when we seemed to be fighting a directionless, PC holding action while we tried to decide what to do next. The American people will not support the sacrifice of America's young without a clearly stated, defensible reason.

I think if the party gets their head on straight and starts to listen to the concerns of their base they have the chance to win big in 08. Unlike 94 I think this was somewhat of a temper tantrum of the electorate. The Republicans gave nobody a real tangible reason to vote for them. There was no "Contract With America" just stay the course. The Democrats have no plans and now they can't run against the majority, they have to govern. If the party takes a hard look at where it is, makes the necessary changes in leadership and recruits some quality candidates I think the Dems party will be a short one.

Also Karl Rove, who was the mastermind of this debacle, has to go. People want leadership from their elected officials, and that is not Mr. Rove's specialty. His specialty, like all others of his ilk, is politics. That will win you a few elections, but eventually people want to see a return for their investment. Men like Karl Rove don't know how to deliver that because that takes principles, vision and the willingness to stand up for what you believe in not playing to polls, triangulation and always worrying about the next election cycle. Give the people a reason to vote for you and leadership on the things that matter and the elections will take care of themselves.


281 posted on 11/07/2006 10:26:42 PM PST by redangus
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To: roses of sharon
Very rational.

Hey honey, put your glasses on, put down the Stoli and re-read what I said.

Because of the drift leftward by Congressional Republicans, enough of our base did not vote, and that cost us the House and Senate. With these close races, it only took 1-2% of the base to stay home to change everything. And that happened because the Republicans did not act like conservatives.

If you want to blame the media, the stars, the weather, go ahead. Denial seems to be your middle name.

Good night

282 posted on 11/07/2006 10:27:02 PM PST by technomage (NEVER underestimate the depths to which liberals will stoop for power.)
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To: fatez

Nope, he can't do that. But he puts on a mean BBQ. Wanna bring your llama over? ; )


283 posted on 11/07/2006 10:29:08 PM PST by TigersEye (Ego chatters endlessly on. Mind speaks in great silence.)
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To: TigersEye

He is strictly a veggean. But he might be able to bring some good Andean ...

Well I am a conservative, he doesn't have any :)


284 posted on 11/07/2006 10:30:57 PM PST by fatez
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To: redangus
What the Republicans need to learn from tonight is that you can't buy your enemies love

What a funny thing to say about the party of principle, limited government and low taxes. They wouldn't dream of using taxpayer money to buy people off, would they?
285 posted on 11/07/2006 10:31:43 PM PST by hedgetrimmer (I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: technomage

Technomage ----- you hit the nail on the head.

My thoughts (similar in nature) can be found here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1734492/posts


286 posted on 11/07/2006 10:32:49 PM PST by jim_g_goldwing (Principled... Always Remain Principled)
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To: Seruzawa
Republicans should learn that if you act like big spending liberals then the people will simply decide to elect the real thing instead of maintaining the phonies. The pubbies simply became as corrupt and entrenched and addicted to pork as the libs were in 94 and have largely become indistinguishable from liberals to the majority of people.

We have a winnah!
Me, I'm going libertarian. So they let people smoke pot? That's small potatoes compared to the Socialist hammering we're about to take.

287 posted on 11/07/2006 10:33:28 PM PST by Ignatz (Click your mouse three times and repeat, "There's no place like 127.0.0.1")
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To: redangus
We are winning in Iraq. We do have a plan to get out.

You are right about Iraq only in that that is the perception America has. I do fault Bush for not using his bully pulpit to cut through the MSM anti-war propaganda. His interviews with O'Reilly and Hannity in these last two weeks were great. It's a little late in his administration to introduce himself to the American people though. He should have done that four years ago.

288 posted on 11/07/2006 10:35:52 PM PST by TigersEye (Ego chatters endlessly on. Mind speaks in great silence.)
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To: fatez

I don't care what your llama eats as long as he's got some fat on his ribs.


289 posted on 11/07/2006 10:38:38 PM PST by TigersEye (Ego chatters endlessly on. Mind speaks in great silence.)
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To: TigersEye

You are absolutely right on this. I have a very close relative that is with close ties to the Pentagon. They are seriously wondering what Bush is doing to manage the war on the home front. We are winning every battle, but Bush cannot seem to make a concerted effort to get his message out.


290 posted on 11/07/2006 10:41:13 PM PST by fatez
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To: roses of sharon

" It's all waiting for Conservative saviors, as a soon as that savior shows he is a human being afterall, and the MSM destroys him, FR will throw him overboard.

How many decades have we been doing that?"

Right. It's that 'waiting for Reagan' ... kind of like waiting for Godot.

Bush I've always pegged as the "Truman of the GWOT", but I never pegged him as getting us in a war that ended up being unpopular and leading him to lose Congressional majorities ... that's what happened to Truman btw.

The MSM is a big big issue we have to face constantly.

You can only fight idea and energy with our own ideas and energy ... tomorrow is another day.

Never, ever, ever, ever, give in.


291 posted on 11/07/2006 10:43:01 PM PST by WOSG (Broken-glass time, Republicans! Save the Congress!)
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To: All

Time to partition Iraq and get the hell out.


292 posted on 11/07/2006 10:44:42 PM PST by fatez
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To: Antoninus
FIRE KEN MEHLMAN!

Yes, but he has gone over to the Giuliani camp last I heard... and I sure as hell ain't voting for him in '08...

293 posted on 11/07/2006 10:46:04 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: fatez

He can't get the message out because the MSM controls the message. I don't care how much we see on the net. Until the good news, and soldiers words hit the mainstream on a regular basis, his message won't matter.


294 posted on 11/07/2006 10:46:46 PM PST by rintense (Liberals stand for nothing and are against everything- unless it benefits them.)
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To: fatez

I'm afraid it's too late but all he'd have to do is regularly come out and make some hay about a specific project successfully accomplished in Iraq. He could regularly make a big deal about the successes of a particular unit or soldier or Marine. The fact that the MSM would go nuts trying to rebut it would only fan the flames of public interest for more coverage. He has the power to create a competition in the media over which POV is more supportable. Right now the media is just chugging along with the same ole same ole. Running him over.


295 posted on 11/07/2006 10:51:58 PM PST by TigersEye (Ego chatters endlessly on. Mind speaks in great silence.)
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To: rintense

He really did not try. I understand the MSM hindered him, but he waited until the week before to go on to Rush and Hannity. Bush could have gone around the country and talked to every major conservative radio host, he could have given more interviews to conservatives. The libs in the media would then have to respond. This is Bushes and Roves defeat with a helping hand from Hassert, Delay and Frist.


296 posted on 11/07/2006 10:53:48 PM PST by fatez
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To: TigersEye

I agree. Bush waited for the media to taught the military successes. Bush needed to out there cheerleading. It's to late, the Democrats will start the process of winding the war down. Best to partition it quickly and tell the Turks and the Iranians hands off or we bomb.


297 posted on 11/07/2006 10:56:13 PM PST by fatez
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To: fatez
Opps, I meant taut.
298 posted on 11/07/2006 10:57:00 PM PST by fatez
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To: fatez
Time to partition Iraq and get the hell out.

No no no no. That's what the Dems want. It won't work. If the U.S. even suggests that to the Iraqis they really will fall apart and have a civil war. If Iraq falls the jihad will grow a hundredfold.

299 posted on 11/07/2006 10:57:48 PM PST by TigersEye (Ego chatters endlessly on. Mind speaks in great silence.)
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To: fatez
That works only to a degree because you're preaching to the choir. For the perception to change, you have to target those who believe we are failing. And those are not people who listen to Rush, etc. Bush has given exclusives to the MSM. Problem is, their message is so overwhelmingly against Bush, Bush would have to be on TV 24/7 to even come close.
300 posted on 11/07/2006 10:59:17 PM PST by rintense (Liberals stand for nothing and are against everything- unless it benefits them.)
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