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Live Thread - California General Election - 7 November 2006

Posted on 11/07/2006 7:06:48 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture

Welcome to the live thread for the California Primary Election. Polls are open until 8pm tonight. If you are a registered voter, it is your duty to vote and defend your rights and civil liberties, protect your pocketbook, and vote the bums out where applicable.

Feel free to discuss issues key to your local area that others may be interested in. Post your polling place experiences if you like. And post numbers as they come in later tonight.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: angelides; bonds; bowen; brown; bustamante; calelection; calelections; chiang; cigarettetax; corrigan; eminentdomain; feinstein; garamendi; gastax; jessicaslaw; kennard; lockyer; mcclintock; mcpherson; moonbeam; mountjoy; november7; oiltax; parentalnotification; parrish; philtheatyerwheaties; poizner; poochigian; prop1a; prop1a1b1c1d1e; prop1b; prop1c; prop1d; prop1e; prop83; prop84; prop85; prop86; prop87; prop88; prop89; prop90; schwarzenegger; sexoffenders; strickland; taxes
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To: calcowgirl

That's a beautiful map!

It shows what California is really like - the Garamendi zones are the hippie north coast, leftist Hollywood, Lake Tahoe with its rich liberal ski people, and Imperial County with its many illegals. The rest of the state is conservative.

I have to give a speech at a university tomorrow, where there will no doubt be many liberals gloating over the Dims' House takeover. I'm going to wear an Arnold shirt (even though he's a RINO) to cut the libs a little down to size.


361 posted on 11/08/2006 1:54:08 AM PST by JillValentine (Being a feminist is all about being a victim. Being an armed woman is all about not being a victim.)
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To: JillValentine
Imperial County went for McClintock. It usually goes for a Democrat.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

362 posted on 11/08/2006 1:56:37 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
Imperial County
  John Garamendi (Dem) 8,080 48.1 %  
  Tom McClintock (Rep) 7,184 42.7 % 

363 posted on 11/08/2006 2:01:29 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: newzjunkey

The 15,837,108 is around 61% if state residents eligible to vote. The eligible number is about 26 million.

Most people I've talked to that do not vote feel it makes no difference who is elected. They feel they're screwed either way.


364 posted on 11/08/2006 2:05:37 AM PST by backtothestreets
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To: JillValentine

Good luck in liberal land tomorrow! Sock it to 'em!


365 posted on 11/08/2006 2:09:48 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

Thanks! Believe me, they're going to get an earful.


366 posted on 11/08/2006 2:20:13 AM PST by JillValentine (Being a feminist is all about being a victim. Being an armed woman is all about not being a victim.)
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To: JillValentine
The map is nearly identical to a map I presented to numerous Republican muck-a-mucks a couple years back with a suggestion to place the issue before voters splitting the state in two with Los Angeles County, and seven counties in and around San Francisco forming one state and all remaining counties the other. The liberal California would have not changed an iota as far as who held office. For the Republicans it would have created two new seats in the US Senate which Republicans would have won, Tom McClintock would likely have been the first governor of the new state. Tom was appreciative of the proposal. Probably why the CAGOP muck-a-mucks didn't. Most of them live in the liberal areas.

Among the reasons for shooting holes in it ... Los Angeles and the San Francisco Bay Area wouldn't be connected. Heck no it they wouldn't be connected! The Hawaiian Islands are connected either. So what! We keep the gas, oil, water and power generation in the conservative state.
367 posted on 11/08/2006 2:23:25 AM PST by backtothestreets
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To: calcowgirl
I guess the dead and illegal alien vote came in. As for the dead, my father is still on the voter rolls. I had to strike him out myself at the polling place today.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

368 posted on 11/08/2006 2:25:40 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: calcowgirl
I did not think the election cycle was the appropriate time to attack Arnold in the manner that was happening around here because I believed, perhaps naively, in coat-tails and that harming Arnold would also harm the rest of the ticket.

With his reelection behind us, we must demand restrained spending and a return to reform.

I took issue with those "conservatives" who served only as relentless critics, refused to unify behind the slate, including Arnold.

An Arnold win is, really, a win for no one but Arnold. We didn't get McClintock, or Strickland. We got no Kelo measure, no parental notification and more debt than I can imagine.

I joined McClintock in support of 1A and 1E but not the rest. What ads I was exposed to would highlight road construction benefits and express it as being so benign "pay over time without raising taxes" while never mentioning any of the other proposal specifics.

Too optimistic about the wisdom of the voters, I was not afraid of Arnold putting such a package before the electorate. I thought, however, there would have been some meaningful public debate or opposition. That didn't seem to have materialized and now here we are with $40,000,000,000 in new corrosive debt.

I've much cast off my election-cycle blinders and will of course join reasoned criticism of Arnold's policies and practices not unlike I have regarding Bush.

Perhaps I was too subtle for you at this late hour when I said I should cheer up. It was sarcasm because, frankly, I'm aghast he'll be taking on health care reform in what was described as the same way he tackled global warming.

I do think he's gotten too little credit when he does something right. It's clear he's a populist rather than an ideologue and such populism is fraught with problems because an electorate can be fickle and manipulated.

It's nearly time for me to move and I will most seriously cast my eyes towards leaving CA. I had before said this election would be make-or-break for me. I've grown weary of the growing tyranny of our urban centers, especially L.A. and SF which are hopelessly lost causes.

369 posted on 11/08/2006 2:27:57 AM PST by newzjunkey (Osama is smiling today.)
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To: newzjunkey
I've put my house on sale and am leaving California. This is the last election here in which I will vote.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

370 posted on 11/08/2006 2:30:55 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: newzjunkey; calcowgirl; NormsRevenge; FairOpinion
Lt Gov, 3.2% ( 23391 of 25090 ) precincts reporting as of Nov 8, 2006 at 2:20 am

John Garamendi (Dem)	3,108,386	49.4 %	
Tom McClintock (Rep)	2,831,920	45.0 %	

371 posted on 11/08/2006 2:31:31 AM PST by newzjunkey (Osama is smiling today.)
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To: goldstategop

At least we tried.


372 posted on 11/08/2006 2:32:51 AM PST by newzjunkey (Osama is smiling today.)
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To: newzjunkey
Yes, we did. This state is hopeless and conservatives have zero chance to win here. Time to wake up and face reality: California is a mega-sized Massachusetts.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

373 posted on 11/08/2006 2:34:48 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: newzjunkey
Sec of St, 93.2% ( 23391 of 25090 ) precincts reporting as of Nov 8, 2006 at 2:20 am

Debra Bowen (Dem)	3,019,560	48.4 %	
Bruce McPherson (Rep)	2,799,118	44.8 %	

374 posted on 11/08/2006 2:35:47 AM PST by newzjunkey (Osama is smiling today.)
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To: newzjunkey
Controller, 93.2% ( 23391 of 25090 ) precincts reporting as of Nov 8, 2006 at 2:20 am

John Chiang (Dem)	3,151,966	50.6 %	
Tony Strickland (Rep)	2,507,532	40.3 %

375 posted on 11/08/2006 2:36:51 AM PST by newzjunkey (Osama is smiling today.)
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To: goldstategop

It's really the worst of both worlds. High taxes and high spending is preferable to low taxes and high spending. At least the former shows some signs of being responsible.


376 posted on 11/08/2006 2:48:57 AM PST by Truthsearcher
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To: calcowgirl
Just can't catch a break!!
PROP N-SAN DIEGO COM COLL $870M BOND (REQ 55%)

Precincts:  674
Counted:    532
Percentage: 78.9%

YES  93844  62.18%
NO   57079  37.82%

377 posted on 11/08/2006 2:51:03 AM PST by newzjunkey (Osama is smiling today.)
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To: newzjunkey
I did not think the election cycle was the appropriate time to attack Arnold in the manner that was happening around here because I believed, perhaps naively, in coat-tails and that harming Arnold would also harm the rest of the ticket.

IMO, that was very naive and all you had to do was step back and see how many times that excuse was given. Exactly when have we not been in an election cycle since the recall?

     October 7, 2003     Special Election (Recall)
     March 2, 2004       Primary Election
     November 2, 2004    General Election
     November 8, 2005    Special Election
     June 6, 2006        Primary Election
     November 7, 2006    General Election
Over and over, people were criticized for opposing leftist actions taken by the Governor. Had Gray Davis attempted half of this stuff, Republicans would have been up in arms! The exact time to criticize is before an election when they want your vote, not after when they no longer have any reason to pay attention.

With his reelection behind us, we must demand restrained spending and a return to reform.

What leverage is there NJ? Tell me? Why should he or would he? Think about it.

I took issue with those "conservatives" who served only as relentless critics, refused to unify behind the slate, including Arnold.

Why would you instead not take issue with Arnold, for failing to unify behind the Republican platform? Why do you think Republicans should miraculously change their core beliefs and abandon the very principles contained in the Republican platform? Arnold opposed the very things that unify Republicans.

Too optimistic about the wisdom of the voters, I was not afraid of Arnold putting such a package before the electorate. I thought, however, there would have been some meaningful public debate or opposition. That didn't seem to have materialized . . .

Where was that opposition going to come from, NJ??? The opposition was the very thing that you joined in stifling because it might "harm Arnold" (as you stated above).

. . . now here we are with $40,000,000,000 in new corrosive debt.

Make that $83,000,000,000 including interest. And that doesn't include the other $80,000,000,000 expected to come from "other sources" that was part of the overall "Strategic" growth plan.

378 posted on 11/08/2006 3:05:56 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

Looking over some of the county results it looks like LA accounts for all of the margin loss for McClintock, Strickland... Even a big as Arnold won state-wide he lost in L.A., 46-49.


379 posted on 11/08/2006 3:15:48 AM PST by newzjunkey (Osama is smiling today.)
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To: newzjunkey
Dang... 13 votes apart
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97.1% ( 913 of 940 ) precincts reporting as of Nov 8, 2006 at 3:26 am 

State Senate - District 34  
  
  Candidate           Votes     Percent 
  Lou Correa (Dem)    38,666    49.9 %  
  Lynn Daucher (Rep)  38,679    50.1 %  

380 posted on 11/08/2006 3:35:13 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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