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N.Y. Plans to Make Gender Personal Choice
New York Times ^ | 11/07/06 | DAMIEN CAVE

Posted on 11/06/2006 9:24:11 PM PST by conservative in nyc

Separating anatomy from what it means to be a man or a woman, New York City is moving forward with a plan to let people alter the sex on their birth certificate even if they have not had sex-change surgery.

Under the rule being considered by the city’s Board of Health, which is likely to be adopted soon, people born in the city would be able to change the documented sex on their birth certificates by providing affidavits from a doctor and a mental health professional laying out why their patients should be considered members of the opposite sex, and asserting that their proposed change would be permanent.

Applicants would have to have changed their name and shown that they had lived in their adopted gender for at least two years, but there would be no explicit medical requirements.

“Surgery versus nonsurgery can be arbitrary,” said Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, the city’s health commissioner.

Dr. Frieden continued: “Somebody with a beard may have had breast-implant surgery. It’s the permanence of the transition that matters most.”

If approved, the new rule would put New York at the forefront of efforts to redefine gender. A handful of states do not require surgery for such birth certificate changes, but in some of those cases patients are still not allowed to make the change without showing a physiological shift to the opposite gender.--Snip--

--Snip--The change would lead to many intriguing questions: For example, would a man who becomes a woman be able to marry another man? (Probably.) Would an adoption agency be able to uncover the original sex of a proposed parent? (Not without a court order.) Would a woman who becomes a man be able to fight in combat, or play in the National Football League? (These areas have yet to be explored.)

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: deviancy; deviants; fraud; gayagenda; gender; homosexualagenda; lgbt; mentalillness; moralabsolutes; mutilation; nyc; perversion; perverts; sex; sexchange; slimes; sodom; sodomites; transgender
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To: opinionator

I wish I could do that, then I'd be 6 feet tall.


41 posted on 11/06/2006 11:26:47 PM PST by darkangel82
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To: conservative in nyc
If I was a girl I'd never get anything done because I'd stay home all day and play with my B**B$.
42 posted on 11/06/2006 11:30:19 PM PST by Private_Sector_Does_It_Better (The UN did such a great job with Oil for Food in Iraq, let's let them run the whole country)
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To: conservative in nyc

What is this world coming to?


43 posted on 11/06/2006 11:42:38 PM PST by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: conservative in nyc
Separating anatomy from what it means to be a man or a woman, New York City is moving forward with a plan to let people alter the sex on their birth certificate even if they have not had sex-change surgery.

This is one of those things that shows the shameless utter hypocrisy of the left. Although Darwinism is not synonymous with liberalism, liberals believe that it is sound science, and that it should be taught as fact in public schools without competition from other theories about the origin of the species.

On the other hand, they will say something that gender -- something that scientifically can only be defined in either/or terms -- should be up to the individual. It's so maddog stupid.

44 posted on 11/06/2006 11:46:31 PM PST by L.N. Smithee (MSM cries crocodile tears about negative campaigns -- they ARE a negative campaign against the GOP!)
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To: conservative in nyc

Failure to live in the real world and accept facts as they are, no matter how disappointing they are, is a workable definition of insanity.

This sort of insanity will now be backed by the coercive power of the state of New York.


45 posted on 11/07/2006 12:10:18 AM PST by D.P.Roberts
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To: conservative in nyc

>>Good grief.<<

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>>“Surgery versus nonsurgery can be arbitrary,” said Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, the city’s health commissioner.<<

The good doctor does have a point - surgery to mutilate your gentials doesn't really change your sex so if they really let people who have had the operation change their birth certificate then they might as well them do it without the surgery.... its changing the birth records in the first place that's the problem.

Disclaimer: I know there are some people born physically intersex and I have full sympathy for them but they are a tiny minority of those we are discussing.


46 posted on 11/07/2006 12:18:30 AM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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To: wagglebee

One of us will do this! I can tomorrow.


47 posted on 11/07/2006 12:25:40 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: conservative in nyc

When I was four, I wanted to grow up and be an elephant because I liked the Babar books.

So if I'm ever in NY (fat chance), I'll put down "elephant".


48 posted on 11/07/2006 12:26:33 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: conservative in nyc

I saw this coming over a year ago. I wrote to members of Congress detailing how such a change would negate the proposed Marriage Protection Amendment, but they're hell bent on pursuing an amendment that would be worthless.


49 posted on 11/07/2006 1:20:36 AM PST by backtothestreets
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To: peteram
No state will ever recognize their altered Birth Certificate.

But it might be decided that the Constitution requires states to honor it. Maybe we need a Constitutional amendment that allows us to eject states from the union.

50 posted on 11/07/2006 1:21:30 AM PST by Dan Evans
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To: headstamp
I have NOW heard everything.

Not quite everything. When they make the same accommodations for age I'm going there so I can be 21 years old again!
51 posted on 11/07/2006 1:24:51 AM PST by backtothestreets
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To: conservative in nyc

A more pertinent question: Would a woman who became a man or a man who became a woman have to wear an abaya?


52 posted on 11/07/2006 1:25:30 AM PST by bluejay
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To: doug from upland
That's interesting. If you had a birth certificate, an official state document, showing that you were a woman, why couldn't you shower with women?

Yes. All kinds of issues:

"The change would lead to many intriguing questions: For example, would a man who becomes a woman be able to marry another man? (Probably.) Would an adoption agency be able to uncover the original sex of a proposed parent? (Not without a court order.) Would a woman who becomes a man be able to fight in combat, or play in the National Football League? (These areas have yet to be explored.)"

53 posted on 11/07/2006 1:34:00 AM PST by Dan Evans
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To: lesser_satan
Well then, I'm moving to New York! I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body, and I demand to be allowed to shower with women at the gym!

You know, this DOES pose a major problem. What if you are a man and change the sex on your birth certificate. Does that entitle you to use the women's restrooms? Which public official can we hold responsible for the first rape that takes place because of this?

Does anybody else wonder what the guys who died on Omaha beach would have to say about this? Would they tell us, "Hey, I want my life back. Might as well have let the Germans have it?"

54 posted on 11/07/2006 3:00:58 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Why isn't there an "NRA" for the rest of my rights?)
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To: conservative in nyc

"Surgery versus nonsurgery can be arbitrary."

Unreal. Deconstructionism and cultural Marxism at work.


55 posted on 11/07/2006 3:11:52 AM PST by jaime1959
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To: conservative in nyc

It's going to be fun watching the quotaholics when a couple of "women" with beards show up to claim protected female positions.


56 posted on 11/07/2006 3:20:33 AM PST by sphinx
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To: sphinx

Looking on the bright side, it might solve the problems with Title IX.


57 posted on 11/07/2006 3:22:37 AM PST by sphinx
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To: peggybac

The world is rocketing straight to Hell at light speed. This ridiculous, and disgusting story is the icing on the cake.


58 posted on 11/07/2006 3:37:23 AM PST by frankiep (Beer - the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems)
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To: conservative in nyc
Our tradition criteria for sex on a birth certificate is "...American culture’s misguided fixation on genitals as the basis for one’s gender identity."

What next? Death Certificates to the undead? "I am a dead man trapped in the body of a living person!"

I remember a quote from somewhere: "Neurotics build castles in the sand and psychotics live in them." Today's American liberalism has progressed from neurotic to psychotic.

59 posted on 11/07/2006 4:10:32 AM PST by drpix
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To: conservative in nyc
When we first heard that the loony left wanted to redefine marriage a year ago, I said that this ("choice" of gender) would be the next logical step.

Two nights ago, I dreamt that Hillary was defeated. I wish that would come true, instead.

60 posted on 11/07/2006 4:29:48 AM PST by syriacus (Make calls to help Santorum -- http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1732142/posts)
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