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Ray Lahr wins TWA800 Freedom of Information Lawsuit on the Zoom Climb
eMail from Ray Lahr and Bob Donaldson - TWA800.com ^ | 10/31/2006 | Ray Lahr

Posted on 11/01/2006 6:26:07 PM PST by Swordmaker

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1 posted on 11/01/2006 6:26:09 PM PST by Swordmaker
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To: Swordmaker

Bolid.


2 posted on 11/01/2006 6:29:37 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Swordmaker

The zoom climb must be real. I saw it on TV.


3 posted on 11/01/2006 6:34:26 PM PST by gridlock (The GOP will pick up at least TWO seats in the Senate and FOUR seats in the House in 2006)
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To: Swordmaker
the government must then acknowledge the eyewitness missile reports.

They will acknowledge them just after they show the video of McVey and his buddy parking the Ryder truck in front of the Murrah Building "three minutes and six seconds" before the truck blew up. In other words, never.
4 posted on 11/01/2006 6:35:10 PM PST by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Swordmaker
Muzzies did it and Clinton didn't want us to know.

The truth WILL OUT.

5 posted on 11/01/2006 6:37:23 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Swordmaker
We don't know who fired the missile. But if it was terrorist missile, and if that had become known, the country would have been alerted to the terrorist threat, and 9/11 might possibly have been averted.

Operation Clinton Cleanup takes one step forward...

6 posted on 11/01/2006 6:40:09 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: muawiyah

What's a bolid?


7 posted on 11/01/2006 6:41:24 PM PST by Toby06 (Happy camper.)
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To: muawiyah
Bolid

If you mean "Bolide" then it had to have come through the Earth... triangulation of the eye witnesses show that it could not have come from beyond the horizon relative to any witness.

8 posted on 11/01/2006 6:42:48 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker
No matter. The material wanted will simply disappear.

Silly peasant.

9 posted on 11/01/2006 6:44:16 PM PST by stboz
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To: Swordmaker

Strange case.


10 posted on 11/01/2006 6:48:06 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Swordmaker
Sure it did ~ just didn't start glowing all that much until it was right near the plane, which it then smacked, and then flew on away from the Earth. (To understand this you must think of the Earth as "round" and not "flat")

The eyewitnesses would perceive it as an object rising up from the Earth to hit something.

Ever been in an airplane struck by lightning? Happens with some frequency BTW. Every now and then lightning will take a plane out of operation.

Here we have a rock flying in from space and taking out a plane. Won't happen all that often, but it can't be ruled out.

11 posted on 11/01/2006 6:50:06 PM PST by muawiyah
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After looking at all the available evidence in the months after it happened, it became evident to me that TWA 800 was almost certainly brought down by a missile.

There were two possible theories: that the missile was fired by American forces taking part in a naval exercise in the area; or that the missile was fired by Muslim terrorists in a small boat.

I think the naval hypothesis is almost impossible. Too many people would have known what happened, and leaks would have been inevitable. There have been no such leaks from the Navy.

Why would clinton have covered it up? Because he wanted to protect the Navy, or because he wanted to avoid having to do something about Arab terrorists? Frankly, I think he would have been far more worried about having to deal with the terrorists than he would have been concerned about the Navy's reputation. He and hillary (and Chelsea too) hated the military.

On the other hand, he had a long record of avoiding any need to deal with terrorism by looking the other way.

Ray Lahr deserves our thanks for following this up. The current administration has shown no interest in uncovering clinton's crimes. Indeed, Bush's chosen director of the FBI, Mueller, awarded a special medal and promotion to the FBI agent who was in charge of covering up TWA 800 for clinton.


12 posted on 11/01/2006 6:57:26 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Here we have a rock flying in from space and taking out a plane. Won't happen all that often, but it can't be ruled out.

As I stated triangulation of eye witnesses show that it could not have been a bolide. Only eye witnesses looking at a bolide ~180º from its direction of approach will see it rise from the horizon... others would see it approach horizontally across the sky. That was NOT the case. Ergo it was not a bolide.

Eye witnesses West of TWA800 saw it come from the surface. Others that were North saw it come from the surface. More from the South saw it rise from the surface. And yet others who were East of the plane saw the "missile" rise from the surface. If it were a bolide, only 1/4 of these would mis-perceive the object as coming from the surface.

Certainly some of the eye witnesses who were in the air, above TWA800, would not have described it as they did were it a bolide.

13 posted on 11/01/2006 7:05:46 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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I agree re: missile. The fact is that center fuel tanks simply don't do what they said. Jet fuel is about as flammable as charcoal lighter stuff, it works well under pressure and controlled conditions in the engine, but propane or gasoline it ain't.

And the laws of large numbers argues against it. There have been tens of millions of aircraft flights, and this center tank thingy happens JUST ONCE???

Not to mention that Boeing is the greatest aircraft manufacturer ever and despite what some may say, pays alot of attention to quality and safety. They probably have thousands of terrabytes of flight data recording info.


14 posted on 11/01/2006 7:16:07 PM PST by djf (I'm not ISLAMOPHOBIC, just BOMBOPHOBIC!! Whether that's the same is up to Islam!!!)
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No matter. The material wanted will simply disappear.

That will be consistent with "government" management of evidence ever since the Kennedy assassination.

15 posted on 11/01/2006 7:23:50 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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And the laws of large numbers argues against it. There have been tens of millions of aircraft flights, and this center tank thingy happens JUST ONCE???

An engine tore off the port mounting of a DC-10 only once (Flight 191 in Chicago, 1979). A cargo hatch blew out on a DC-10 once (Turkish Airlines, Flight 881, 1974). The thrust reverse system deployed in flight on a 767 once (Lauda Air, Flight 004, 1991). A lot of things happen once, mainly because corrective actions are taken.

16 posted on 11/01/2006 7:26:30 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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Good points, all. But I still think it does, as I said, argue against it.


17 posted on 11/01/2006 7:29:22 PM PST by djf (I'm not ISLAMOPHOBIC, just BOMBOPHOBIC!! Whether that's the same is up to Islam!!!)
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To: Swordmaker
...some day the truth will come out.
Sadly, with the way today's government handles scandals that deal with security (Berger,LosAlamos) nothing will be done.
I've followed CDR Donaldson's quest for the truth since shortly after he came on the scene back in 1999, only because of his simple explanation of CG and the impossibility.... that what the FBI said happen never made any sense to me. (sort of like the magic bullet theory)...
I also tried to keep up with the investigation for months after wards and what the US citizen was being told amounted to brain washing.....information was given at three month intervals and finally the CIA film was released. That was the cake topper for me...it was a cover up.
I've been asked why would the government want to cover it up since I've given my opinion in 1997 and my answer was always the same.......clinton. He didn't know what to do, not that he would have done anything anyway, and he sought the easy way out. The resulting actions he took since the first WTC bombings (1993) and ALL of the other nonfiction ACTIONS of this failure of a man only confirms my beliefs and has resulted in my intense hatred for him.


(now I'm going to have a late night cup of coffee and calm down a bit)


Doogle
18 posted on 11/01/2006 7:33:43 PM PST by Doogle (USAF 69-73...."never store a threat you should have eliminated")
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To: Non-Sequitur

In fact I should amend my position a bit because supposedely there was a Singapore Airlines 737 that went down in 1990 due to a fuel tank explosion.


19 posted on 11/01/2006 7:34:33 PM PST by djf (I'm not ISLAMOPHOBIC, just BOMBOPHOBIC!! Whether that's the same is up to Islam!!!)
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To: Doogle

Alot of good info here.

http://www.montereypeninsulaairport.com/800newsreports3.html


20 posted on 11/01/2006 7:38:14 PM PST by djf (I'm not ISLAMOPHOBIC, just BOMBOPHOBIC!! Whether that's the same is up to Islam!!!)
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