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Muslim cleric triggers outrage by blaming women for rape
Times Online ^ | 2006-10-26 | Elsa McLaren and agencies

Posted on 10/26/2006 5:36:11 AM PDT by cartan

Australia's most senior Muslim cleric has triggered international outrage for describing women who dress immodestly as “uncovered meat” who are inviting a sexual attack.

Sheik Taj Aldin al-Hilali—the Mufti of Australia—condemned women who “sway suggestively”, wear make-up and no hijab or Islamic headscarf, in a Ramadan sermon to 500 worshippers, The Australian reported.

Islamic leaders are today meeting in Sydney to discuss his future and are considering whether to sack him from his role as the most senior cleric at the city's largest mosque.

John Howard, the Prime Minister, said that the cleric's comments were “appalling and reprehensible”.

He told reporters: “The idea that women are to blame for rapes is preposterous. I not only reject the comments, I condemn them unconditionally.”

Mr al-Hilali, who arrived in Australia in 1982 from Lebanon on a tourist visa and later fought attempts to deport him, has triggered controversies in the past.

In 2004 he said in a sermon in Lebanon that the September 11 attacks were “God's work against the oppressors.” The cleric later said that he did not mean that he supported the attacks, or terrorism.

Race relations in Sydney are volatile following riots between the white and Middle Eastern youths last December. As summer arrives the city's authorities fear that troubles may explode again and police have begun patrolling the area where the riots took place.

In a statement today, the outspoken cleric apologised for his comments and said: “I had only intended to protect women's honour, something lost in The Australian presentation of my talk.”

He was reported in the newspaper as saying that he only meant to refer to prostitutes as meat, and not any woman who does not wear a hijab, but the paper said there was no mention of the word prostitute in the sermon.

A spokesman for the Egyptian-born cleric said that his comments, made last month, had been taken out of context in the newspaper report, but did not challenge the accuracy of the paper's translation.

During the sermon al Hilali said: “If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden, or in the park, or in the backyard without cover, and the cats come to eat it…whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat?

“The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred.”

The Australian also reported that he said that women were “weapons” used by “Satan” to control men.

Pru Goward, Australia's Sex Discrimination Commissioner, said that Mr al-Hilali had a history of making such comments and should be thrown out of the country.

“It is incitement to a crime. Young Muslim men who now rape women can cite this in court, can quote this man, their leader in court,” she told Australian television.

“It's time we stopped just saying he should apologise. It is time the Islamic community did more then say they were horrified. I think it's time he was asked to go.”

Islamic groups have tried to disassociate themselves from Mr al-Hilali's remarks. The Islamic Council of New South Wales said his comments were “un-Islamic, un-Australian and unacceptable”.

Waleed Aly, a member of the Islamic Council of Victoria state, said that the comments would result in more antagonism toward Muslims.

“I am expecting a deluge of hate mail. I am expecting people to get abused in the street and get abused at work,” he said.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: australia; islam; rape; religionofpieces; religionofrape
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To: Fred Nerks; metmom

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21 posted on 10/26/2006 6:16:44 AM PDT by indcons
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To: cartan
“I am expecting a deluge of hate mail. I am expecting people to get abused in the street and get abused at work,” he said.

Like being beaten or dragged through the streets? Or like having your hands and feet cut off? Or being held hostage, tortured and beheaded on video?

22 posted on 10/26/2006 6:19:34 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: cartan

Time to send him and his followers home.


23 posted on 10/26/2006 6:19:37 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: Nathan Zachary
The Prophet replied, ‘Your lack of common sense can be determined from the fact that the evidence of two women is equal to one man. That is a proof.’”

Gee, and here we went and gave 'em the vote...

< /sarcasm >

24 posted on 10/26/2006 6:21:27 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: beachn4fun
Oh my Lord! Why is it that no one seems to want to point out that "that" is an excuse for men NOT TO CONTROL THEMSELVES?

Thank you! My thoughts exactly. While it can be said that some women do dress very immodestly in NO WAY should that be an excuse for some disgusting, filthy rapsit to attack her!

I have had this argument with a number of people - mostly men. And it amazes me how hard it is for them to to consider the concept of self control.

25 posted on 10/26/2006 6:28:12 AM PDT by blinachka (Vechnaya Pamyat Daddy... xoxo)
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To: Taggart_D

"We'll see if the guy is actually removed from the mosque...but I doubt it."

From the Mosque? How about the country? and he shouldn't be "asked" to leave, he should be tied to the keel of the next ship leaving Australia for the middle east, and untied only when the port of some Muslim country has been reached.


26 posted on 10/26/2006 6:49:07 AM PDT by monday
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To: blinachka
how hard it is for them to to consider the concept of self control.

Sad part is....many are not taught that. As was stated a little earlier...the saying "boys will be boys" is an old scap goat for not teaching them.

27 posted on 10/26/2006 6:49:59 AM PDT by beachn4fun (The people who are responsible for terrorist attacks are the terrorists." - Tony Blair)
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To: Chewie84

"Boys will be boys"

Yeah, one of my favorites. That's what a neighborhood mom told me when I complained to her that her son (my classmate at the time, I was about 13) threw rocks at me every day while I tried to walk home from the bus.


28 posted on 10/26/2006 6:51:42 AM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (No integration without inebriation!)
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To: beachn4fun
"boys will be boys" is an old scap goat for not teaching them.

Sure, boys will be boys (hopefully) but that is no excuse for not learning self control...no matter what the situation.

29 posted on 10/26/2006 6:53:07 AM PDT by blinachka (Vechnaya Pamyat Daddy... xoxo)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

“If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden, or in the park, or in the backyard without cover, and the cats come to eat it…whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat?

Finally clerics are admitting that Muslim men have the morals and self control of tomcats.


30 posted on 10/26/2006 6:54:36 AM PDT by san juan
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To: To Hell With Poverty

Oh yeah, and four years later he was voted "Class Gentleman"...


31 posted on 10/26/2006 6:59:40 AM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (No integration without inebriation!)
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To: cartan

So, I suppose if he is carrying a billfold in public he is just asking to be robbed and mugged?


32 posted on 10/26/2006 7:06:23 AM PDT by 3AngelaD
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To: Psycho_Bunny
If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden, or in the park, or in the backyard without cover, and the cats come to eat it…whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat?

If I'm not mistaken, he's referring to Australian women who've been raped by Muslim men. Why is it that we haven't heard about wild gangs of Australian men kidnapping girls, and holding them for hours, and raping them?

These muslims don't think with their brains, that's why. What he's done is basically issue a fatwah saying, "Go ahead, rape all you want."

33 posted on 10/26/2006 7:21:16 AM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (good fences make good neighbors!)
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To: cartan

I wouldn't let this "cleric" within a mile of a petting zoo! lol


34 posted on 10/26/2006 7:31:16 AM PDT by ruffedgrouse (Think outside the box, dammit!)
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To: cartan
Women, he said, were 'weapons' used by Satan to control men.

Astounding! I thought when I was pregnant with a girl she was a beautiful creation of God. And just what brought this cleric into the world?

35 posted on 10/26/2006 7:51:52 AM PDT by AmericaUnite
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To: cartan
Australia's most senior Muslim cleric has triggered international outrage for describing women who dress immodestly as “uncovered meat” who are inviting a sexual attack.

Which only proves what many have been saying all along: that Muslim males have so little self-control that they are obviously not fit to live in the civilized world.

By his own words, this imam has exposed the abomination that is the very core of the Satanic death cult of Islam.

36 posted on 10/26/2006 9:02:26 AM PDT by Prime Choice (True Conservatives don't vote for Liberals just because they have an 'R' by their name.)
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To: Taggart_D
We'll see if the guy is actually removed from the mosque...but I doubt it.

Removing him from the mosque would not be enough. Monsters of that caliber should be removed from this plane of existence entirely and sent straight to the Hell they deserve.

37 posted on 10/26/2006 9:04:16 AM PDT by Prime Choice (True Conservatives don't vote for Liberals just because they have an 'R' by their name.)
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To: ruffedgrouse
I wouldn't let this "cleric" within a mile of a petting zoo! lol

No kidding...I can see it now...

By the will of Allah, the goat had it coming!   Its goatflesh was far too much temptation for me to restrain myself!   UNHAND ME, INFIDEL POLICE!!

38 posted on 10/26/2006 9:06:22 AM PDT by Prime Choice (True Conservatives don't vote for Liberals just because they have an 'R' by their name.)
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To: cartan

"Waleed Aly, a member of the Islamic Council of Victoria state, said that the comments would result in more antagonism toward Muslims.
“I am expecting a deluge of hate mail. I am expecting people to get abused in the street and get abused at work,” he said."

Poor Muslim. Again the object of irrational discrimination and attack.

Yet NOT ONE WORD of condemnation for the insane lunatic, masquerading as a cleric, who said it.

Sounds like the qualified apologies for 9-1-1 all over the Islamic world.




39 posted on 10/26/2006 9:13:50 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Prime Choice
"I wouldn't let this "cleric" within a mile of a petting zoo! lol
No kidding...I can see it now...

By the will of Allah, the goat had it coming! Its goatflesh was far too much temptation for me to restrain myself! UNHAND ME, INFIDEL POLICE!!"
That reminds me of the 'Concert for New York' held soon after 9/11. In it, there was one part where Adam Sandler is performing on stage as Operaman, and he just starts insulting Bin Laden in every way possible. He at one part sings, "He won't let women read- ah,
He won't let women vote- ah,
That's why the only love he gets,
Comes from a mountain goat- ah!"
40 posted on 10/26/2006 12:45:43 PM PDT by Chewie84
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