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A Return to Triangulation (libertarion vs social right)
National Review Online ^ | 10/25/06 | David Boaz & David Kirby

Posted on 10/25/2006 11:10:46 AM PDT by Blackirish

As the Republican base fragments and Christian conservatives consider a “fast” from politics, the polling data point to a mid-term Republican thumping. Less than two weeks from now, Republicans will begin their post-mortem soul searching. And as the corpses of their House and Senate majorities grow cold, so should Karl Rove’s 2006 campaign strategy.

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To: Dominic Harr
Just for disagreeing? Or did they get out of hand?

Many just for disagreeing, and others for "getting out of hand" to a far less degree than the people they were debating (who remain unbanned, and in fact have just gotten worse and more emboldened). On certain topics, there's a very distinct and grossly uneven double-standard, or at least there has been in the past year or so. Prior to that, the mods were a lot more even-handed.

Other biased and unethical stuff has been going on as well, such as repeated removals of someone's Freeper homepage for expressing an opinion contrary to the "party line" (without explanation or notification, even after repeated questions to the management about it), a moderator removing multiple messages that debunked falsehoods written by a good friend of the moderator (on a thread where the moderator was also participating in the discussion as an advocate for the same side under a non-mod screen name), upwards of a dozen people have been banned for no obvious reason at all or explanation, "coincidentally" all from one particiular side of certain issues, an old-time Freeper with thousands of posts under his belt was suddenly banned with the one-word so-called explanation of "Troll", publicly known and announced "sneakbacks" (people who were previously banned but returning under a new screen name) are allowed to remain here as long as they are on the "proper" side of the "party line", etc. etc.

Before about a year ago, all of the moderator decisions made sense to me -- even the times I thought they jumped the gun a bit or took a bit too long to take action, I agreed that things were near that point where action needed to be taken. But within the last year or so, dozens of their actions have prompted a, "what the hell??" reaction from me, as well as from a great number of other longtime Freepers I've discussed it with. Something has very much changed. Either Jim has altered his management style, and he says that he hasn't, or one or more intolerant moderators (who perhaps took on the job a year or so ago) have been pursuing their own personal agenda whenever they think they can get away with it against Freepers with whom they disagree.

Something has gotten way out of whack recently, and it's not good for FreeRepublic, and it's not right.

41 posted on 10/25/2006 12:37:48 PM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: Beagle8U
Your confusing small L libertarians/conservatives with card carrying members of the Libertarian party.
42 posted on 10/25/2006 12:39:42 PM PDT by Blackirish
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To: Blackirish
Leave nanny statism to the dims.

A significant segment of the Religious Right has not been supporting Republicans for the proper reason - because Republicans will fight for freedom of worship against Democratic legislation that tries to curtail it. Rather, they have stayed on board in the hope that their beliefs would some day be written into law. Thus, there is anger at Bush for not doing enough to advance the social conservative agenda - they want laws passed, not speeches.

The grand coalition is fragmenting a bit.

43 posted on 10/25/2006 12:40:45 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Dracian

Apparently, you retread libertrollians have absolutely no regard for private property rights. Zot!


44 posted on 10/25/2006 12:41:19 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Blackirish
"Your confusing small L libertarians/conservatives with card carrying members of the Libertarian party"

I didn't know there was a small"L" party, thanks for correcting me on that.

Please post a link to their platform website so I can check it out.

Thanks in advance.
46 posted on 10/25/2006 12:47:36 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Demonrats want the Gays out of Congress.....stand back and let them purge their base.)
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To: guitarist
If "libertarian" means it's a-okay to tear babies limb from limb by abortion, and that man marrying man equals many marrying woman, please count me out!

It doesn't mean that.

47 posted on 10/25/2006 12:48:07 PM PDT by Protagoras (We are not free because we are great, we are great because we are free.)
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To: Beagle8U
You can't blame Republicans for some of the nutball things in the Libertarian platform.

But you can blame them for confusing small L libertarians from big L Libertarian party members.

48 posted on 10/25/2006 12:54:37 PM PDT by Protagoras (We are not free because we are great, we are great because we are free.)
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To: Beagle8U
Their platform contains the ideas of the far ends of both major party's

Their platform has core values, and everything flows from that. The end results do tend to match the opposite sides on the surface.

For example, drug legalization. Libertarians want it because of the concepts of limited government size and power, freedom of the individual, and individual responsibility ("I was high" becomes an aggravating factor in a crime, not a way to evade responsibility). The concept exists even if a person, like me, is against the use of most recreational drugs (you're not taking my caffeine!).

The leftists just want to get high and be excused from responsibility for anything stupid they may do when high.

It's a big policy difference when you look closer, but most people don't.

49 posted on 10/25/2006 12:54:53 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Ichneumon
Something has gotten way out of whack recently, and it's not good for FreeRepublic, and it's not right.

The place is marginalizing itself to hell in a bucket. Every science thread now is a snake pit, and it's the people who try to answer the freak show who seem to be on thin ice with the management.

50 posted on 10/25/2006 12:55:10 PM PDT by VadeRetro (A systematic investigation of nature does not negotiate with crackpots.)
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To: Protagoras
"But you can blame them for confusing small L libertarians from big L Libertarian party members."

Please post a link to this phantom small "L" party website.
51 posted on 10/25/2006 12:58:04 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Demonrats want the Gays out of Congress.....stand back and let them purge their base.)
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To: Beagle8U

Please post a link to the phantom small "R" party website.


52 posted on 10/25/2006 1:01:06 PM PDT by Protagoras (We are not free because we are great, we are great because we are free.)
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To: Beagle8U
"Please post a link to this phantom small "L" party website."

According to you definition there are no conservatives because there is Conservative Party. Neocons and liberal republicans are pro big government and will ruin the party. There is a reason the only message you hear about the 2006 elections are "we aren't as bad as the other guys". Anyone care to explain why we should accept a slow path to disaster instead of a fast one?
53 posted on 10/25/2006 1:03:23 PM PDT by Gradient Vector
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To: Gradient Vector
there is no Conservative party.
54 posted on 10/25/2006 1:03:49 PM PDT by Gradient Vector
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To: Blackirish

It's bad enough for the liberal media to pile on, but now the National Review is doing it too.


55 posted on 10/25/2006 1:05:52 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
"The leftists just want to get high and be excused from responsibility for anything stupid they may do when high"

Bingo! And if its made legal every employer will have to deal with it daily. No thanks.
56 posted on 10/25/2006 1:06:51 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Demonrats want the Gays out of Congress.....stand back and let them purge their base.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Apparently, you retread libertrollians have absolutely no regard for private property rights. Zot!

Funny how "having absolutely no regard for private property rights" doesn't count against the many known sneakback retreads who are allowed to remain, as long as they agree with the designated "party line" on certain issues. Some animals turn out to be more equal than others.

See also post #41.

Jim, you are of course free to run this forum any way you choose, but I submit that certain kinds of choices are not good for the health and reputation of the forum, and that the effects are already being felt in many ways, including how it is taking longer and longer for the quarterly Freepathons to meet their goals.

57 posted on 10/25/2006 1:10:59 PM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: truth_seeker

You are right- language itself has no authority. What matters are the issues. I have no intent to deceive, so I'll lay my cards on the table.


For or against illegal immigration? Against.
For or against abortion? Against.
For or against war in Iraq? For.
For or against Patriot Act? Mostly for. Not in favor of so-called sneak-and-peek warrants and a few other provisions, but very much in favor of everything else.
For or against legalization of drugs? Not in favor of the War on Drugs. I believe it should be a state matter to regulate drug use.


58 posted on 10/25/2006 1:13:07 PM PDT by oblomov (Join the FR Folding@Home Team (#36120) keyword: folding@home)
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To: oblomov
I am a libertarian conservative, and have never been purged or felt unwelcome in any way at FR.

Same here.

59 posted on 10/25/2006 1:14:10 PM PDT by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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To: Dracian
I confess: I am a libertarian-conservative. Do your worst. :-)

Same here.

Socially, I'm 'live and let live'.

Until it directly affects others. To me, that's when it becomes political. Politically, I'm conservative, as in "conservative with my money". Careful. Like the grasshopper and the ant.

60 posted on 10/25/2006 1:15:57 PM PDT by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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