A Return to Triangulation (libertarion vs social right)

National Review Online ^ | 10/25/06 | David Boaz & David Kirby

[Blackirish]

As the Republican base fragments and Christian conservatives consider a “fast” from politics, the polling data point to a mid-term Republican thumping. Less than two weeks from now, Republicans will begin their post-mortem soul searching. And as the corpses of their House and Senate majorities grow cold, so should Karl Rove’s 2006 campaign strategy.

[Fiddlstix]

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[metmom]

That's the one! Thanks!!

[Fiddlstix]

You're welcome J

[Fiddlstix]

Picture Soldiers Father Writes to Powerline! MOST PERFECT!

Click The Pic

[Fiddlstix]

Well, Fellow FReeper Blackirish......
It looks like your " 60 Post/Reply " Thread has finally "run out of steam".

It was bound to happen sooner or later.......
It happened over 1600 posted replies later.......
I Say: Well Done FRiend! Good Show! FReepers....Past, Present, and Future Shall Envy You.......
You have certainly "left your mark" on all FReeperdom. An accomplishment Many desire but few shall ever obtain......

Know This! You have secured your place in the annals of the History of This Great Web Forum! Your Place in FR History is assured for now and ever more..........

I Shall Now call upon and ask the opinion of Our Own Great Lazamataz. The (secret and unknown) Leader of Our Own FBI!
(FReeper Bureau of Instigation)

To Pronounce his invaluable evaluation of same.

Please do not shirk your responsibility, Laz!

WE Await the Wisdom of the Man who Proudly Posts Without First Reading The Thread since 1999

(Even though you're the head of "Our Own FBI! Please bear in mind WE Know who you are. Glorious Leader!)

And so.............
We Bid thee a fond farewell, fine posts..........
Forever shall you remain in our memory......
Blackirish: Bless You, FRiend!

[nopardons]

That picture is priceless! :-)

[nopardons]

Along with Fiddlstix, I applaud you Blackie, on your place in FR's history !

[Blackirish]

Well ...gotta admit here has prolly never been thread with such a boring title that went this long....and it's been a fun ride. Thanx Fiddle....I'll miss the coffee and the friendship....but I'm a Freeper and so are you so anytime you want to send a note ... I'll do the same...nopards I know I'll see you around....

Thanks again ....God Bless ...

Blackirish...1628.

[nopardons]

Of course you'll see me around.....here and you may even see me on good old Lake Shore Drive ( I would have said LSD, but some people here don't know that that's what that street is called, by those who live or have lived on it ) in six weeks, or so. :-)

Wear your new "FR LEGEND" medal with pride!

[Fiddlstix]

Thanx Fiddle....I'll miss the coffee and the friendship......

What the heck. We'll do the coffee one more time........
The FRiendship shall always remain. J

Good Morning Everybody.

You Know The Drill
Click the Pics J

[Fiddlstix]

This is Too Good. I must post it here!

*** ANNOUNCING THE ROVE-YOU-MAGNIFICENT-BASTARD PING LIST ***

Posted by Lazamataz, Of Course. LOL

(The head of the FReeper Bureau of Instigation Strikes Again)

[Fiddlstix]

The Little Thread That Could

Posted by FReeper: Blackirish

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Quote From The Thread:
Oh boy...I thought this was going to be a typical 60 post thread from NRO...never thought it was gonna go like this.

1,019 posted on 10/27/2006 8:51:29 AM CDT by Blackirish

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Things like The Little Thread That Could make FR such an interesting place. The little "60 post thread" went to more than 1600 posts!

Proof Positive that ya never know what's gonna happen here at FR when you click on a Thread J

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I think I'll use this as a post on the next FReepathon J

I Think "The Little Thread That Could" is a good title for the post.
To me, it describes this thread very well.

[JCEccles]

I think moving your wearisome threads to the religion forum was appropriate and long overdue, PH.

Darwinism is not science. Parts of it are science. But on the whole Darwinism is an ideology, a faith system.

Your "this is not an opus" opus is merely a restatement of your cranky and insulting opinion that your fellow Darwinism ideologues have all the brains and understanding to be had--and that "lower thinking" lifeforms: good, solid, thinking conservatives who don't share your fawning opinion of Darwinism--are brainless, drooling fools.

Even that opinion is tolerable. What is intolerable is the preaching of Darwinism in the public schools and the shameful silencing of its critics through the courts, on the public dime.

The fact that Darwinism has to be artificially propped up by judicial edicts issued at the behest of the ACLU tells you that its claims to be "only science" are miscast and disingenuous, and shows that its ideology is not conservative in form or substance.

[Blackirish]

Wow the thread has had a last ditch attempt to rererehijack!
Your welcome on LSD anytime we'd have to take a walk South until it hits Michigan Ave and go to some high toned restaurant. If I ever get to TX I'd rather have a steak right off your grill! and take in a country sunset.

[sully777]

FWIW, my mom has been an Episcopalian from birth. She goes to church every week. And according to her, her church teaches that the six days of creation is not literal; rather, it allows for evolution. I know Unitarians/Universalists also subscribe to evolution, as do certain sects of the Methodists and Presbyterian Church (my DW's uncle is a retired minister that taught it).

The fundamentalist church I belonged did not believe in a literal six days of creation; rather, it taught The Gap Theory which states that the six days found in Genesis 1 were a RE-creation from the chaos after the fall of angels (Gen.1:2 "The earth was without form and void--tohu and bohu--chaotic/wasteland/empty..."). This Gap Theory states that the earth and the universe are infinitely older than six thousand years. In fact the theory allows for an unfathomable past beginning with the creation of angels and uses Job 38:4-10 to explain that the angels sang when the earth was created. Then Isaiah 14, Ezekiel 27, Jude, and the Book of Jasher state that the angels warred in heaven and throughout the universe (the rebellion is shown within the chaos within structures and cosmic laws, scarring of planets, etc.) and they were cast to earth. From there we see in II Corinthians 4:4 that the evil spirits with the Adversary at the helm ruling the earth. But as Job points out, they can do nothing without the express permission of the Eternal Deity. Finally Christ came to retake the rulership and will cast the Adversies out forever into outer darkness at the Second Advent.

The Gap Theory allows for micro-evolution. In point of fact, some writers that subscribe to the Gap Theory speculate that either the Eternal Deity or his angels fiddled around with humanoids which the believers think is why we see fewer fossils of ape-like creations -- but they readily admit that there are fossils and they are humanoid. In fact, I read one article that speculated that the humanoids died in the rebellion of fallen angels known as the First Flood (you read in Genesis 1 that the Spirit hovered over a flooded Earth before it began the six day text). The first flood predates the Noahic flood by unknown years--possibly billions of years.

Greek, Persian, Roman, Chinese, Native American and Hindi myths all seem to point to a similar history which is ignored whole clothe by certain (not all) fundamentalist churches.

My point is not to get on a soap box, nor is it to preach it but to illustrate that religious people can and DO believe in evolution...Christians believe in evolution...Catholic priests have been intimately involved in research and have uncovered fossils...and many conservatives subscribe to evolution. They are not part of a vast conspiracy. They are not dupes used by libs to undermine values. In fact, I dare say many are vastly more conservative than people on this forum. Conversely, I know many liberals that are religious and use the Bible to justify their liberalism.

In any event, I highly respect the work of Patrick Henry and the other scientists on both sides that take time out of their busy lives to instruct. I don't think we realize the enormous braintrust when we spar with one another.

I'm not in a intellectual position to be Inquisitor to Copernicus' De revolutionibus orbium coelestium, nor was the Pope. Are we fully prepared and scientifically astute to ban what may be truth? Are we willing to burn the libraries of Alexandria and Pergamos for a zeal without full knowledge?

It is human nature to cheer for your horse. However, I ask for reconciliation in this matter. And I ask that the people on both sides of this issue continue the discourse however heated. It helps more than you all know. I hope the search for wisdom rules over the humors of the heart.

My2cents

[4CJ]

I guess MARQUEE doesn't work in FR land!

Once I posted on a thread he opening <marquee> tag, my comment, but messed up the closing tag [John Robinson has added code to prevent unclosed tags - old threads were full of "Italians off!" comments].

Needless to say the following comments were scrolling off the page and possibly made a few people sick trying to read the text. Back in the day we would have multiple levels of the tag making the embeded text scroll left-to-right, while the outside text scrolled right-to-left at a different rate. We werer bored ;o)

[4CJ]

All my typos are belong to me. Dang I need coffee.

[Elsie]

 

Christians believe in evolution...Catholic priests have been intimately involved in research and have uncovered fossils...and many conservatives subscribe to evolution. They are not part of a vast conspiracy. They are not dupes used by libs to undermine values.

 

Ok...   but...

 

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Most Christians 'believe' Evolution because they do NOT know what their Bible says.

 

If, as they say, they 'believe' the words of Jesus and the New Testament writers,

they have to decide what the following verses mean:

Acts 17:26-27
26. From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live.
27. God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us.

Romans 5:12-21
12. Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned--
13. for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.
14. Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.
15. But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!
16. Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.
17. For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
18. Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men.
19. For just as through the disobedience of the one man, the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
20. The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,
21. so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

If there were no one man, that means SIN did NOT enter the World thru him.

If Adam was NOT the one man, that means SPIRITUAL DEATH did not come thru him.

If SIN did NOT enter the World thru the one man, that means Jesus does not save from SIN.

Are we to believe that the one man is symbolic? Does that mean Jesus is symbolic as well?

The Theory of Evolution states that there WAS no one man, but a wide population that managed to inherit that last mutated gene that makes MEN different from APES.

Acts 17:24-26

24. "The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands.
25. And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything, because he himself gives all men life and breath and everything else.
26. From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live.

Was LUKE wrong about this?

1 Corinthians 11:8-9
8. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man;
9. neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.

1 Timothy 2:13

For Adam was formed first, then Eve.

Was Paul WRONG about these???

If so, is GOD so puny that He allows this 'inaccuracy' in His Word??

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And THIS verse is completely against E!!!

NIV Genesis 2:18
The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."

[sully777]

In a nutshell, you are dismissing those religions as not knowing their Bibles. Episcopalians and so on don't know their Bibles.

Now, that's a fascinating rhetorical position Elsie.

[Fiddlstix]

IF You haven't done it yet......
Get out there and..........

VOTE!

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Wow the thread has had a last ditch attempt to rererehijack!

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LOL! Yep..........
It just keeps Going....&...Going....&....Going......

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Your welcome on LSD anytime we'd have to take a walk South until it hits Michigan Ave and go to some high toned restaurant. If I ever get to TX I'd rather have a steak right off your grill! and take in a country sunset.

Thanks you FReeper FRiend J
If'n I ever get up thar in "yer neck of the woods", I'll take you up on that offer.................

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Sorry I've haven't been on FR much the past few days........
I've been tryin' to do my part for todays election.......
(Of course, I Voted "R" all the way)
I'm takin' a little break from it all right now.........so I thought I'd let y'all know.........

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VOTE REPUBLICAN!

(Back later. I need a little rest now J )