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West Point opens Islamic worship space as Muslim cadets increase
Newsday.com ^ | 10/22/06 | Newsday.com

Posted on 10/22/2006 7:50:40 PM PDT by World_Events

WEST POINT, N.Y. (AP) _ Muslims at the U.S. Military Academy numbered just two in 2001. This year, there are 32.

Now West Point has opened its first space dedicated to Muslims, a worship hall complete with a pulpit facing Mecca. The space officially opened Thursday.

"I knew the Army had a policy of religious tolerance, but I didn't know it was to this extent," said first-year Cadet Ahmed Moomin, 20, from the Maldives.

Until now, Friday prayers were held in an increasingly crowded first-floor office, said Imam Asadullah, the academy's Muslim cleric. The number of Muslim cadets jumped by 10 from last year.

The new hall is large enough for dozens of followers, he said.

West Point's Muslim leaders approached administrators last year for help.

"We live in a world where everyone is looking at the United States saying, 'You're anti-Islam.' But here at West Point, that's not what we do," West Point Chaplain Col. John Cook said.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: barf; benedictarnolds; dhimmitude; enemywithin; fifthcolumn; infiltration; islam; jihad; letstrainourenemies; muslim; muslims; trop; usma; westpoint
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To: LasVegasMac
"And I'm still waiting for them to stand up and say something - do something to oppose the radicals that infest them."

So am I. But I'm also waiting for a lot of groups to apologize for a lot of things. I'm pretty sure it just isn't going to happen. So my life moves on, and I continue to do what is right...as best I can.

121 posted on 10/22/2006 8:58:51 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Rokke
While I'm no fan of the Muslim religion, the thoughts expressed on this thread do not support any argument that can be used by West Point to exclude Muslim students from either attending or practicing their faith at West Point.

FR take on American Muslims not serving in the military: "They're not patriots! They don't support this country! If they love this country, why don't they enlist?"

FR take on American Muslims who are serving in the military: "They're sleeper agents! Throw them out NOW!"

Logic is not a strong point here.

122 posted on 10/22/2006 8:59:19 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: GAB-1955

Check out the rest of his name and get back to me will ya?


123 posted on 10/22/2006 8:59:52 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: World_Events


Lord have mercy.


124 posted on 10/22/2006 8:59:55 PM PDT by onyx (We have two political parties: the American Party and the Anti-American Party.)
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To: World_Events
I'm no fan of Islam. It is IMHO a false religion generated from the mind of Muhammad to help himself be a conquerer.

However, I am getting tired of the constant Muslim bashing at FR. While Muslims at this time are much more likely to be a terrorist or terrorist supporter than any other religion, the vast majority are not. (Note, I'm referring to rank and file believers, Wahabi clerics in the US are probably more likely to be hostile, as are recent Arab immigrants and young male converts).

I have known two Muslims in my life and would not catagorize either one in the group that is overtly hostile to the US.

Muslims have the same right to their belief as much as any Christian, Jew, Hindu, athiest, etc. If you can tie an individual or group of individuals to treason or terrorism, then try, convict and hang them.

If you cannot, then they have the right to practice their religion (however noxious you find it) in peace. Both state and federal governments have a legal obligation to treat them the same as any other organized religion.

The United States Military Academy has a constitutional obligation (under "free exercise") to make a reasonable accommodation of any religion. Also the USMA and the Army cannot refuse to admit Muslims only on the basis or their religion.

This prayer room is a reasonable accommodation as is a Muslim chaplain.

You don't have to like it, and emotionally I'm not that comfortable with it, but the constitution is crystal clear on this.
125 posted on 10/22/2006 9:00:44 PM PDT by GreenLanternCorps (The Solution to the GOP's Problems Isn't More Democrats!!!)
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To: oceanview
"find me one that says we could inter japanese americans after pearl harbor."

There probably isn't one. And it turns out it was a pretty bad idea. It really didn't accomplish much of anything but appease a lot of emotional paranoia. Are you suggesting we should use that as an example of how we should make decisions.

126 posted on 10/22/2006 9:01:35 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: LasVegasMac
You know nothing about who I am or what I do for a living. West Point can't turn away Muslims just because they are Muslims. Do a simple Google search - you'll find out the same thing I did.

And yes, it makes sense to me for the Army to train future officers who just happen to be Muslim. 99.9% of Muslim-Americans aren't terrorists. Army officers take an oath to protect and defend the United States. There is no reason to believe Muslim-American officers take that oath any less seriously than anyone else. Muslim-American army officers can bring language and other skills that most cadets simply don't have. And the army needs trustworthy translators in Iraq and the rest of the Arabic-speaking world.
127 posted on 10/22/2006 9:01:41 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: Rokke

its simply an example of the constitution not being used a suicide pact in time of war. FDR understsood that, its easy to criticize him 50 years later.


128 posted on 10/22/2006 9:02:54 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Rokke

Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and a loyal citizen?
email ^ | March 2006 | email


Posted on 03/14/2006 8:58:55 PM EST by Louisiana


Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and a loyal citizen?

Consider this:

Theologically, no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.

Scripturally, no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).

Geographically, no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially, no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically, no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically, no, because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).

Religiously, no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)

Intellectually, no, because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically, no, because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co - exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually, no, because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as our heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore after much study and deliberation....perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both good Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish...it's still the truth. If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country.


129 posted on 10/22/2006 9:02:59 PM PDT by knarf (Islamists kill each other ... News wall-to-wall, 24/7 .. don't touch that dial.)
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To: sonic109
"9/11 How's that !"

Terrible. Zero points for a legal justification.

130 posted on 10/22/2006 9:03:03 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: World_Events

In the early years of the Islamic conquest of the Arabian peninsula and in the Fatah (Arab-Islamic invasion and conquest of the upper Middle East and the outside world), a Muslim concept was devised to achieve success against the enemy (non Muslims), Al-Taqiyah. Al-Taqiyah, from the verb Ittaqu, means linguistically dodge the threat. Politically it means simulate whatever status you need in order to win the war against the enemy ...

According to Al-Taqiyah, Muslims were granted the Shar'iyee right (legitimacy) to infiltrate the Dar el-Harb (war zone), infiltrate the enemy's cities and forums and plant the seeds of discord and sedition. These agents were acting on behalf of the Muslim authority at war, and therefore were not considered as lying against or denouncing the tenants of Islam.

They were "legitimate" mujahedeen, whose mission was to undermine the enemy's resistance and level of mobilization. One of their major objectives was to cause a split among the enemy's camp while downplaying the issues related to Islam ("Oh, I am not religious." "Oh, that is not Islam, you are mistaken, there is so much misinformation." "Oh, it is in the interpretation." "Brother, Islam is all about peace and love and music just like in the 60s.") In many instances, they convinced their targeted audiences that Jihad is not aimed at them, that indigenous people are not targeted. Meanwhile the (allegedly) "un Islamic" Muslims continued their attacks on the target's property and life (e.g. Lashkar-e Toyiba, Mujahideen and Osama Bin Laden's
declaration of war against innocent American civilians).


131 posted on 10/22/2006 9:03:24 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: Rokke

Anarchy? The same place that obeying sh*t for brain laws leads.


132 posted on 10/22/2006 9:03:30 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell ( I predict a victory for Republicans that will make Dims remember 1994 as a very good year for them.)
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To: Rokke

Simply saying it's "sick" indicates a lack of depth in thought for or against the issue.

I'm all ears.

133 posted on 10/22/2006 9:03:42 PM PDT by quantim (Only one thing is universally incurable: Senators that think they should be President.)
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To: acapesket; GAB-1955
Barrack Obama is not a Muslim. He is a member of the United Church of Christ on the South Side of Chicago, an ultra-liberal denomination.
134 posted on 10/22/2006 9:03:58 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: World_Events

Al-Taqiyah is still in use today (and is widely practised and acknowledged by the Shi'ite sect) but not necessarily State-organized. Arab-Islamic missionaries are slowly converting the disillusioned criminal classes of the Western world by feeding them a Western "moderate" version of Islam (at the same time denouncing the actions of Muslims in the rest of the world as Un Islamic e.g. Taliban, GIA & FIA [Armed Islamic Front] of Algeria, Hamas, Lashkar -e Toyiba, Bin Laden and company, etc.)

It is done to prevent the new converts from seeing the real face of Islam; at least until their faith or mental conditioning is strong enough to make them turn against their own country and people.

A good example is the growing influence of Islamists in the Americas. On the one hand, American embassies, trade facilities, soldiers and intelligence infrastructures are under attack (but denounced as un-Islamic for the benefit of the new American converts).

On the other hand, the multiplying Islamic community (due to illegal immigration, paper marriages, religious visas granted to the religious men) attempts to pass itself off as "peace loving" and patriotic. In their own circles, the same community will liberally and violently denounce America, the West and its values (freedom, individualism, secularism, capitalism, scientific materialism, benign rehabilitation of criminals, prevention of cruelty against animals, women and gay rights).


135 posted on 10/22/2006 9:05:23 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: LasVegasMac
"There is just a bit of differnce between what an A-10 carries and what a B-52 can carry."

Actually, it's much easier to accomplish a terrorist act with a single seat aircraft. And here's a question for you...how much ordinance does a B-52 carry on a typical training mission over the United States. Or do you think we still have B-52's on nuclear alert?

136 posted on 10/22/2006 9:06:17 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: World_Events

I do believe that congressmen must recommend students to the academies. This says a whole lot about our congressmen.


137 posted on 10/22/2006 9:08:53 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...
ping!

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my ‘miscellaneous’ ping list.

138 posted on 10/22/2006 9:09:24 PM PDT by nutmeg (National security trumps everything else.)
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To: World_Events

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139 posted on 10/22/2006 9:10:30 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: F.J. Mitchell

First, the case you're talking about happened during the current Iraq conflict, not the liberation of Iraq.

Second, there have been two cases during this war of hand grenades tossed into tents - one was the case involving a muslim soldier, as you described; the other involved just a regular old christian soldier.

Third, "fragging" has been a part of war since war has existed. As the 2 cases in the current war demonstrate, it is in no way restricted to Muslim soldiers, and there's no evidence that Muslim soldiers are any more likely to do it than non-Muslims.

Finally, again - getting into West Point is hard. Very hard. The type of people who are offered admission into West Point are NOT the type of people we need to worry about. They're the best our country has to offer, regardless of their religion.


140 posted on 10/22/2006 9:11:35 PM PDT by FreedomFighter78
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