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Is God dead? Atheism finds a market in U.S
Reuters ^ | 10/18/06 | Michael Conlon

Posted on 10/18/2006 5:25:05 PM PDT by wagglebee

CHICAGO (Reuters) - A fresh wave of atheistic books has hit the market this autumn, some climbing onto best-seller lists in what proponents see as a backlash against the way religion is entwined in politics.

"Religion is fragmenting the human community," said Sam Harris, author of "Letter to a Christian Nation," No. 11 on the New York Times nonfiction list on October 15.

There is a "huge visibility and political empowerment of religion. President George W. Bush uses his first veto to deny funding for stem cell research and scientists everywhere are horrified," he said in an interview.

Religious polarization is part of many world conflicts, he said, including those involving Israel and Iran, "but it's never discussed. I consider it the story of our time, what religion is doing to us. But there are very few people calling a spade a spade."

His "Letter," a blunt 96-page pocket-sized book condensing arguments against belief in quick-fire volleys, appeared on the Times list just ahead of "The God Delusion," by Richard Dawkins, a scientist at Oxford University and long-time atheist.

In addition, Harris' "The End of Faith," a 2004 work which prompted his "Letter" as a response to critics, is holding the No. 13 Times spot among nonfiction paperbacks.

Publishers Weekly said the business has seen "a striking number of impassioned critiques of religion -- any religion, but Christianity in particular," a probably inevitable development given "the super-soaking of American politics and culture with religion in recent years."

Paul Kurtz, founder of the Council for Secular Humanism and publisher of Free Inquiry magazine, said, "The American public is really disturbed about the role of religion in U.S. government policy, particularly with the Bush administration and the breakdown of church-state separation, and secondly with the conflict in the Mideast."

They are turning to free thought and secular humanism and publishers have recognized a taste for that, he added.

"I've published 45 books, many critical of religion," Kurtz said. "I think in America we have this notion of tolerance ... it was considered bad taste to criticize religion. But I think now there are profound questions about age-old hatreds."

The Rev. James Halstead, chairman of the Department of Religious Studies at Chicago's DePaul University, says the phenomenon is really "a ripple caused by the book publishing industry."

"These books cause no new thought or moral commitment. The arguments are centuries old," he told Reuters. Some believers, he added, "are no better. Their conception of God, the Divine-Human-World relationship are much too simplistic and materialistic."

Too often, he said, the concept "God" is misused "to legitimate the self and to beat up other people ... to rehash that same old theistic and atheistic arguments is a waste of time, energy and paper."

Dr. Timothy Larsen, professor of theology at Wheaton College in Illinois, says any growth in interest in atheism is a reflection of the strength of religion -- the former being a parasite that feeds off the latter.

That happened late in the 19th century America when an era of intense religious conviction gave rise to voices like famed agnostic Robert Ingersoll, he said.

For Christianity, he said, "It's very important for people of faith to realize how unsettling and threatening their posture and rhetoric and practice can feel to others. So it's an opportunity for the church to look at itself and say 'we have done things ... that make other people uncomfortable.' It is an opportunity for dialogue."

Larsen, author of the soon-to-be-published "Crisis of Doubt," added that in some sense atheism is "a disappointment with God and with the church. Some of these are people we wounded that we should be handling pastorally rather than with aggressive knockdown debate."

These are also probably some of the same people Harris says he's hearing from after his two books.

"Many, many readers feel utterly isolated in their communities," he said. "They are surrounded by cult members, from their point of view, and are unable to disclose their feelings."

"I get a lot of e-mail just expressing incredible relief that they are not alone ... relieved that I'm writing something that couldn't be said," Harris added.


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To: Mrs. Don-o

Good stuff!


301 posted on 10/19/2006 8:03:34 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
... the Messiah says "Scorned by men and despised by the people, I am a worm, not a man."

Sounds like He was talking 'bout Mr. J! ;^)

302 posted on 10/19/2006 8:04:46 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: steve-b

So I take it that Bob disliked the command of GOD?


303 posted on 10/19/2006 8:07:26 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie
Elsie the 'dead' in Christ will rise first because they are already with Him. Remember that while in the tomb Christ went to the prisoners alll the way back to Noah's time and offered them salvation first.
304 posted on 10/19/2006 8:08:25 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: GSlob
Because religious relationship [as distinct from other relationships, like, say, of a person to his/her tools] is that of uncomprehending supplication.

I disagree.

305 posted on 10/19/2006 8:08:35 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: pcottraux
Methinks I'm in over my head!

Tread water!!!

There are lifeguards near!!

306 posted on 10/19/2006 8:09:37 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: phoenix0468
I know there are other benevolent beliefs that contain proper morals teachings and foster congruitiy and respect among us fellow humans, I just see Christianity as a sort of pinnacle of that type of belief, and am rather glad it exists... as an atheist.

Well then: quit dragging your feet and jump on board!

(HE took me in, so I'm purty sure HE'll take anyone. ;^)

308 posted on 10/19/2006 8:12:12 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: phoenix0468
Christ, and a conservative atheist (such as myself) discussing the issue of hypocritical liberals that call themselves Christians? Or is that not good?

It's a good idea. I'll file it in the memory bank.

309 posted on 10/19/2006 8:13:32 PM PDT by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: grey_whiskers
As the saying goes, to a six-year-old with a hammer everything is a nail.

I thought is was...


...if your only tool is a hammer, everything is a nail.

310 posted on 10/19/2006 8:14:52 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: phoenix0468
...hypocritical liberals ...

Been addressed already in the 7 woes.

(Matthew 23)

311 posted on 10/19/2006 8:16:42 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

Sorry, I'm not inclined to believe in a man made deity any time soon. Now, remember the previous statement is completely and unequivicably subjective and not meant as an insult to either you or Christianity.


312 posted on 10/19/2006 8:19:13 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: Elsie
What does that even mean? Is your image of atheists so skewed that you see them as having no morals. Most I have met are pacifists. Most I have met are married with children. I am sure there are bad ones out there, just like their are bad Christians. I look down upon no man for his beliefs(even RATs). I just don't have to agree with them. Do not forget that we are all human beings.
313 posted on 10/19/2006 8:19:33 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: Just mythoughts
Elsie the 'dead' in Christ will rise first because they are already with Him.

I don't see that in Scripture anywhere.


Remember that while in the tomb Christ went to the prisoners alll the way back to Noah's time and offered them salvation first.

Then did HE also go FORWARD in time to my Grampa?

Or is he still 'sleeping' with the fathers or has he 'gone on ahead'?

314 posted on 10/19/2006 8:21:12 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: pericytosis
Um... the many religous people out there who don't lead wholesome lives?

My bad: I was wanting a definition of what is WHOLESOME.

315 posted on 10/19/2006 8:22:26 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: phoenix0468

So... you're waiting for a GOD made deity then?

(I'm not insulted.)


316 posted on 10/19/2006 8:24:07 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: satchmodog9; Elsie
Is your image of atheists so skewed that you see them as having no morals.

Yes. This is common among the superstitious and religious. Funny thing is, I'd contend law-abiding, patriotic, happily married conservative non-theist fathers such as myself must be more moral than people like Elsie. Heck, I lead a good, clean life and I don't even "have" to according to the Elsie's of the world. Go figure.
317 posted on 10/19/2006 8:25:41 PM PDT by whattajoke
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To: satchmodog9
Is your image of atheists so skewed that you see them as having no morals.

Sorry. I was looking for an AUTHORITY to decide what IS wholesome (or MORAL).

318 posted on 10/19/2006 8:25:41 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie
Sorry. I was looking for an AUTHORITY to decide what IS wholesome (or MORAL).

... Says Elsie who has, in the past on this very forum, agreed that Jews are hell bound as well as some other wonderful viewpoints along those lines.
319 posted on 10/19/2006 8:26:54 PM PDT by whattajoke
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Please Freepmail me those titles again.

To be added to my ever-burgeoning reading list.

Cheers!

320 posted on 10/19/2006 8:31:19 PM PDT by grey_whiskers
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