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Did we plough up the Garden of Eden?
First Post ^ | October 17, 2006

Posted on 10/17/2006 6:10:35 AM PDT by NYer

An archaeological dig may have uncovered ‘Eden’ in Turkey, says sean thomas

I am standing above an archaeological dig, on a hillside in southern Turkey. Beneath me, workmen are unearthing a sculpture of some sort of reptile (right). It is delicate and breathtaking. It is also part of the world's oldest temple.

If this sounds remarkable, it gets better. The archaeologist in charge of the dig believes that this artwork once stood in Eden. The archaeologist is Klaus Schmidt; the site is called Gobekli Tepe.

In academic circles, the astonishing discoveries at Gobekli Tepe have long been a talking point. Since the dig began in 1994, experts have made the journey to Kurdish Turkey to marvel at these 40-odd standing stones and their Neolithic carvings.

But what is new, and what makes this season's dig at Gobekli so climactic, is the quality of the latest finds - plus that mind-blowing thesis which links them to Paradise.

The thesis is this. Historians have long wondered if the Eden story is a folk memory, an allegory of the move from hunter-gathering to farming. Seen in this way, the Eden story describes how we moved from a life of relative leisure - literally picking fruit from the trees - to a harsher existence of ploughing and reaping.

And where did this change take place? Biologists now think the move to agriculture began in Kurdish Turkey. Einkorn wheat, a forerunner of the world's cereal species, has been genetically linked to here. Similarly, it now seems that wild pigs were first domesticated in Cayonu, just 60 miles from Gobekli.

This region also has Biblical connections, tying it closer to the Eden narrative. Muslims believe that Sanliurfa, a nearby city, is the Old Testament city of Ur. Harran, a town down the road, is mentioned in Genesis twice.

Even the topography of Gobekli Tepe is 'correct'. The Bible describes rivers descending from Paradise. Gobekli Tepe sits in the 'fertile crescent' between the rivers Tigris and Euphrates. The Bible also mentions mountains surrounding Eden. From the brow of Gobekli's hills you can see the Taurus range.

But how does this intoxicating

notion link to the architecture of Gobekli, and those astonishing finds?

Klaus Schmidt (left) explains: "Gobekli Tepe is staggeringly old. It dates from 10,000BC, before pottery and the wheel. By comparison, Stonehenge dates from 2,000BC. Our excavations also show it is not a domestic site, it is religious - the world's oldest temple. This site proves that hunter-gatherers were capable of complex art and organised religion, something no-one imagined before."

As for the temple's exact purpose, Schmidt gestures at a new discovery: a carving of a boar, and ducks flying into nets. "I think Gobekli Tepe celebrates the chase, the hunter-gatherer lifestyle. And why not? This life was rich and leisured, it gave them time enough to become accomplished sculptors."

So why did the hunters of Gobekli give up their agreeable existence? Schmidt indicates the arid brown hilltops. "Gathering together for religion meant that they needed to feed more people. So they started cultivating the wild grasses." But this switch to agriculture put pressure on the landscape; trees were cut down, the herds of game were dispersed. What was once a paradisaical land became a dustbowl.

Schmidt explains that this switchtook place around 8,000BC. Coincidentally, the temple of Gobekli Tepe was deliberately covered with earth around this time.

We may never know why the hunter-gatherers buried their 'temple in Eden'. Perhaps they were grieving for their lost innocence. What is unquestionable is the discoveries made in Gobekli Tepe, in the last few weeks, are some of the most exciting made anywhere in half a century.

Schmidt shows me some workmen scraping earth from a rock relief (left). It is marvellously detailed: it shows scorpions, waterbirds, and river life. I suddenly realise I am the first person other than an archaeologist to see it in 10,000 years.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anatolia; anthropology; archaeology; biblicalarcheology; catalhoyuk; catalhuyuk; einkornwheat; gobeklitepe; godsgravesglyphs; prehistory; religion; sanliurfa; turkey
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To: NYer

A few concerns:

1. The reptile looks like a mammal to me. There's a difference in the way the legs are set.

2. The Tigris and Euphrates are two rivers and I didn't see a desrciption of a third riverbed.

3. Although we like to see grain agriculture as a good thing, I doubt it was seen that way back then. More a way of shifting to an efficient way of preventing starvation when the good stuff (fruits, meat) became hard to find in an increasingly overcrowded world.


21 posted on 10/17/2006 6:59:43 AM PDT by From many - one.
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To: NYer

Has anyone considered that if we did find Eden that the explorers might want to be careful of that big flaming sword God left there? Seems like that could cause some unpleasantness...


22 posted on 10/17/2006 7:00:40 AM PDT by JamesP81 (The answer always lies with more freedom; not less)
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To: blam

ping

looks like your kind of thing


23 posted on 10/17/2006 7:03:47 AM PDT by From many - one.
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To: Alouette

Great line! LOL.


24 posted on 10/17/2006 7:08:56 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Sybeck1

Eden is in Iraq; Noah's ark is in Iran.


25 posted on 10/17/2006 7:08:58 AM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: DBrow
Farming is a much more secure and easy way to get sustenance.

It also provides a more convenient basis for taxation. :)

26 posted on 10/17/2006 7:12:53 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: sandyeggo
I always heard Eden was in Iraq, which is also almost the most-mentioned country in the Bible, second only to Israel.

Iraq proper wasn't even a recognized country until 1932. Are you sure you don't mean Babylon?

27 posted on 10/17/2006 7:18:14 AM PDT by Thermalseeker
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To: From many - one.
1. The reptile looks like a mammal to me. There's a difference in the way the legs are set.

Me too. Look at the rib cage and the way the eyes set in the head. I think it represents a dog.

28 posted on 10/17/2006 7:23:31 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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To: DBrow
If you ever do extended survival training, you'll find that it takes a lot of work to get food by finding it here and there throughout the year. Plus, it is not assured that you'll find enough in any one place.

Anyone who has ever gone hunting knows that it would be a rigorous lifestyle if you had to live off of your kill.

29 posted on 10/17/2006 7:26:25 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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To: John Carey
Call me when they find the apple core....

Apple only uses dual cores these days.

31 posted on 10/17/2006 7:29:56 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (A living insult to islam since 1959)
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To: Starboard
lol

And surely that leads to advanced civilization, with a census, a tax, tax collectors, census takers, inspectors, and buildings with guards...

You are so right, even being tongue in cheek- you can't really have formal taxes in a hunter-gather economy.

32 posted on 10/17/2006 7:33:18 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: DBrow
The story of King David is about switching from a nomadic life to one of agriculture- of finding a spot and settling there, growing food there, and flourishing.

Huh? Your statement suggests he was just wandering about looking for something to do, and eventually decided on farming. Forgive the slam, but I'm more used to such sideways inaccuracies in the liberal media. David was being hunted by Saul. Until Saul died he was always on the run in spite of his attempts to reconcile the relationship. When Saul was dead David took the throne. I don't think he did much "gardening" then, it was done for him.

33 posted on 10/17/2006 7:34:17 AM PDT by 70times7 (Sense... some don't make any, some don't have any - or so the former would appear to the latter.)
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To: Inyo-Mono

The problem I see with dog is the feet. More bear-ish than dog-ish. Maybe chimera? Or dog-faced baboon?

The bird panel is somewhat weird, too. The upper one looks ibis-like.

If the mammal is a baboon and the bird an ibis it could be pre-cursor to Egyptian deities. Yes, I know the geography would be wrong but people and ideas move around.


34 posted on 10/17/2006 7:34:40 AM PDT by From many - one.
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To: NYer

I learned way back in Hebrew school that the Garden of Eden was where the Tigris and Euphrates rivers met in the south (I know--they both go to the sea).


35 posted on 10/17/2006 7:36:55 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Every single day provides at least one new reason to hate the mainstream media...)
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To: twigs
I think the best guess is that Eden is near where Basra is today.

I know it is between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers.

36 posted on 10/17/2006 7:37:10 AM PDT by beckysueb (Pray for President Bush and our country.)
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To: beckysueb

The Bible also mentions two other rivers which have disappeared from sight today. But they can be detected from space in satellite images. If you take the Bible and match up the info there to these images and the current Tigris and Euphrates, it lands you near modern-day Basra.


37 posted on 10/17/2006 7:43:15 AM PDT by twigs
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To: beckysueb

Anyone find the program for decoding the Bible code yet?


38 posted on 10/17/2006 7:47:32 AM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: 70times7
I didn't mean that King David was a farmer himself. I looked at the story in very general terms. I'm sorry if I offended you; that surely was not my intent.

If you look at climate data for the region and the time, the climate had begun to be more stable and predictable (it was not that long after the end of the last Ice Age). A more stable climate meant that agriculture was possible.

The tribe, like many tribes in the area, was nomadic (for a number of reasons, not just Saul). When David took the throne, the tribe began to settle down, and started an agricultural existence with a fixed location and permanent buildings.

If I remember the story, the tribe did flourish under King David.
39 posted on 10/17/2006 7:47:33 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: DBrow

It must have taken lots of tax dollars to construct those statues! Maybe even a temporary surtax was imposed. :)


40 posted on 10/17/2006 7:50:54 AM PDT by Starboard
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