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Keep Darwin's 'lies' out of Polish schools: education official
AFP via Yahoo! News ^ | October 14, 2006

Posted on 10/14/2006 11:16:50 AM PDT by lizol

Keep Darwin's 'lies' out of Polish schools: education official 2 hours.

WARSAW (AFP) - Poland's deputy education minister called for the influential evolutionary theories of Charles Darwin not to be taught in the country's schools, branding them "lies."

"The theory of evolution is a lie, an error that we have legalised as a common truth," Miroslaw Orzechowski, the deputy minister in the country's right-wing coalition government, was quoted as saying by the Gazeta Wyborcza daily Saturday.

Orzechowski said the theory was "a feeble idea of an aged non-believer," who had come up with it "perhaps because he was a vegetarian and lacked fire inside him."

The evolution theory of the 19th-century British naturalist holds that existing animals and plants are the result of natural selection which eliminated inferior species gradually over time. This conflicts with the "creationist" theory that God created all life on the planet in a finite number.

Orzechowski called for a debate on whether Darwin's theory should be taught in schools.

"We should not teach lies, just as we should not teach bad instead of good, or ugliness instead of beauty," he said. "We are not going to withdraw (Darwin's theory) from the school books, but we should start to discuss it."

The deputy minister is a member of a Catholic far-right political group, the League of Polish Families. The league's head, Roman Giertych, is education minister in the conservative coalition government of Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski.

Giertych's father Maciej, who represents the league in the European Parliament, organised a discussion there last week on Darwinism. He described the theory as "not supported by proof" and called for it be removed from school books.

The far-right joined the government in May when Kaczynski's ruling conservative Law and Justice (PiS) party, after months of ineffective minority government, formed a coalition including LPR and the populist Sambroon party.

Roman Giertych has not spoken out on Darwinism, but the far-right politician's stance on other issues has stirred protest in Poland since he joined the government.

A school pupils' association was expected to demonstrate in front of the education ministry on Saturday to call for his resignation.


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To: Jaguarbhzrd
I have yet to meet one on this thread.

Truly, neither have I, that I know of. Then again, it's hard to tell what people take on faith simply on the bases of a Freeper thread. =]

701 posted on 10/17/2006 9:05:42 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Dimensio

If there were no God, there would be no atheists.


702 posted on 10/17/2006 9:12:19 AM PDT by FreedomProtector
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To: FreedomProtector

I believe that your claim is a non-sequitur.


703 posted on 10/17/2006 9:14:32 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: FreedomProtector
If there were no God, there would be no atheists.

??

704 posted on 10/17/2006 9:16:58 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Dimensio

How do you know that to be true?


705 posted on 10/17/2006 9:18:08 AM PDT by FreedomProtector
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To: js1138
When I first googled "'daveloneranger' + 'asshole'" all I got was this. It doesn't involve me, so I was confused.

I'm confused, too. I can't believe there aren't a lot more of those.

706 posted on 10/17/2006 9:30:11 AM PDT by VadeRetro (A systematic investigation of nature does not negotiate with crackpots.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Of course, I've had more experience with you now to know you're not quite the knight in shining armor I thought you were...

I'm no knight in shining armor, but I have eight years on the forum, 41,000 posts with no warnings or suspensions. You, are the second of your kind to attempt taking over the science threads and running them into the muck.

In a year or two, after you've finished "witnessing," you will be gone, and FR will be able to breathe again. You and your tribe that even you show public contempt for.

707 posted on 10/17/2006 9:38:43 AM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
"If there were no God, there would be no atheists."

"??"


....if you still don't get it click here
708 posted on 10/17/2006 9:39:13 AM PDT by FreedomProtector
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To: VadeRetro
I'm confused, too. I can't believe there aren't a lot more of those.

There are, just not using the exact word. Not everyone has an ear for the precision application of vulgarity. Two or three well chosen instances in 41,000 posts is about right.

But then not all of his fans are bright enough to notice that he called his own followers stupid to their face.

709 posted on 10/17/2006 9:42:48 AM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: FreedomProtector
"If there were no God, there would be no atheists."

If there were only atheists, there would be no god.

710 posted on 10/17/2006 9:45:55 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
Atheists owe their very existence to God.
711 posted on 10/17/2006 9:50:37 AM PDT by FreedomProtector
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To: js1138
In a year or two, after you've finished "witnessing," you will be gone, and FR will be able to breathe again. You and your tribe that even you show public contempt for.

Maybe it's just the phase of the Moon, but I no longer have any confidence of such things.

712 posted on 10/17/2006 9:52:34 AM PDT by VadeRetro (A systematic investigation of nature does not negotiate with crackpots.)
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To: FreedomProtector
How do you know that to be true?

There appears to be no logical connection between your conditional statement and predicted result. If such a logical connect exists, you should explain it.
713 posted on 10/17/2006 9:53:28 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: FreedomProtector
Atheists owe their very existence to God.

You are assuming your conclusion in stating your claim. This is logically invalid.
714 posted on 10/17/2006 9:55:15 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: FreedomProtector
Atheists owe their very existence to God.

What god? Which god?

715 posted on 10/17/2006 10:04:33 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Dimensio
"You are assuming your conclusion in stating your claim. This is logically invalid."

Incorrect. It is logically valid. I am simply stating the conclusion before stating the presupposition.


....All things origniate from God and come from God.

Atheists are part of all things.

Therefore atheists originate from God.

Since all things origniate from God, if there was no God, there would be no atheists as atheists are part of all things.


Evolutionists do the exact same thing--they state conclusions that depend on their presuppositions.
716 posted on 10/17/2006 10:08:37 AM PDT by FreedomProtector
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To: Fester Chugabrew
It does not take a supernatural creator to take matter and organize it in such a way that it performs specific functions.

No, it doesn't. But that's because, simply by being matter, it already has certain properties, and will behave in some ways and not in others, and is therefore already "organize[d] in such a way that it performs specific functions".

Once again, your definition of ID defines nothing because it includes everything. And not just everything that is, but everything that possibly could be in any intelligible universe. It is therefore completely vacuous and utterly useless.

717 posted on 10/17/2006 10:09:14 AM PDT by Stultis
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To: VadeRetro

Judging from what the assault on IQ has done to fund raising, FR may not be the same in two years. Moderating certainly has changed in the last year.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1011737/posts?page=363#363


718 posted on 10/17/2006 10:24:30 AM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: lizol

The call to keep Darwin out of public schools is clearly an example of a totalitarian mindset. Surely, there are plenty of those educational and scientific ideologues (including here in US) who treat Darwin theory as sacred, unquestionable and beyond any criticism. Both of these types are mind censors.

I'm all for teaching Darwin in schools alongside other theories that are critical of Darwin (i.e. Intelligent Design, Creationism, etc.). The freedom of intellectual inquiry is the prerequisite of successfull and healthy society.


719 posted on 10/17/2006 10:30:51 AM PDT by sergey1973
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To: antiRepublicrat

"Atheists owe their very existence to God.
What god? Which god?"



IN THE beginning [before all time] was the Word [Jesus Christ], and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.

He was present originally with God.

All things were made and came into existence through Him; and without Him was not even one thing made that has come into being.

In Him was Life, and the Life was the Light of men.

And the Light shines on in the darkness, for the darkness has never overpowered it [put it out or absorbed it or appropriated it, and is unreceptive to it].

John 1:1-5


720 posted on 10/17/2006 10:45:10 AM PDT by FreedomProtector
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