Posted on 10/14/2006 11:16:50 AM PDT by lizol
Keep Darwin's 'lies' out of Polish schools: education official 2 hours.
WARSAW (AFP) - Poland's deputy education minister called for the influential evolutionary theories of Charles Darwin not to be taught in the country's schools, branding them "lies."
"The theory of evolution is a lie, an error that we have legalised as a common truth," Miroslaw Orzechowski, the deputy minister in the country's right-wing coalition government, was quoted as saying by the Gazeta Wyborcza daily Saturday.
Orzechowski said the theory was "a feeble idea of an aged non-believer," who had come up with it "perhaps because he was a vegetarian and lacked fire inside him."
The evolution theory of the 19th-century British naturalist holds that existing animals and plants are the result of natural selection which eliminated inferior species gradually over time. This conflicts with the "creationist" theory that God created all life on the planet in a finite number.
Orzechowski called for a debate on whether Darwin's theory should be taught in schools.
"We should not teach lies, just as we should not teach bad instead of good, or ugliness instead of beauty," he said. "We are not going to withdraw (Darwin's theory) from the school books, but we should start to discuss it."
The deputy minister is a member of a Catholic far-right political group, the League of Polish Families. The league's head, Roman Giertych, is education minister in the conservative coalition government of Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski.
Giertych's father Maciej, who represents the league in the European Parliament, organised a discussion there last week on Darwinism. He described the theory as "not supported by proof" and called for it be removed from school books.
The far-right joined the government in May when Kaczynski's ruling conservative Law and Justice (PiS) party, after months of ineffective minority government, formed a coalition including LPR and the populist Sambroon party.
Roman Giertych has not spoken out on Darwinism, but the far-right politician's stance on other issues has stirred protest in Poland since he joined the government.
A school pupils' association was expected to demonstrate in front of the education ministry on Saturday to call for his resignation.
I did appreciate the story but, uncharacteristically for an Irishman like me, I am not going to let the story get in the way of the facts. Actually, as you probably suspected, I too have a story. It is about Darwin visiting Africa and misunderstanding a revelation from an ancent wiseman as to the real origin of man. Man is descended from the peach, you see. It is a long story and the old Elk's hooves are sore. I am sure there will be another thread on another day as the Church of Evangelical Darwinism persists in trying to convince Christians and other people that they are apes (with or without souls depending on the subjective beliefs of the posting Darwinians).
We have Ann Coulter and you don't. So there!
We don't teach evolution but then we don't give Marx or Luther or Attila the Hun a very even-handed shake, either. Of course, we never said we would. Actually, we aren't too hard on Mr. the Hun since he allowed himself to be convinced by Pope St. Leo the Great (at a confab on horseback in the middle of the Tiber) that it was time to go home now and that sacking Rome was not part of Mr. the Hun's future.
Don't be nervous but among our students are children of a nuclear engineer involved in running a major nuclear power plant. I asked him and he told me that when jobs are available: No apes need apply!
Note that I am no longer pinging my pals which is my way of saying that you and I are just having a little fun with one another. God bless!
In the California missions, many of the conversions were less than total. Recent research has shed new light on the amount of aboriginal tradition that was retained by many of the neophytes (as the converts were called). It is a fascinating study, and much different from the Sunset books and some of the missionary's own accounts.
A good recent book is titled, Children of Coyote, Missionaries of Saint Francis, by Steven W. Hackel (University of North Carolina Press, 2005). You might also try, Converting California: Indians and Franciscans in the Missions, by James A. Sandos (Yale University Press, 2004).
And Ann Coulter stumbled big time with the evolution chapters of her latest book. I studied the subject for six years in graduate school and I can tell the difference between honest research and tertiary quoting.
And feed that girl a cheeseburger and some fries. Supersize 'em! Repeat as needed.
We are not that far apart. You just have this strange aversion to the theory of evolution, which does not go against Catholic teaching at all.
Out for the night. We'll contend again!
Please provide a link to the place where I told you to shove it. I have no memory of this exchange, nor does google.
Are you denying that you ever did? I have the links to prove it, but let's suppose it's a royal bluff and I'm only making things up to make you look bad. Why would that be wrong? Now suppose I do have the links. Do you wish to deny or in any way retract such an exchange? Since you and your friends continue such unwholesome attacks, I don't see why it upsets you.
I do have freepmails where you initiated a discussion of my personal faith. I can post them if you like. I responded to your query politely and sincerely. It took a bit of courage to do that, considering we don't agree on much. Your response was to drop the dialog, after assuring me that you were actually interested in an exchange of ideas.
If only you knew how many freep-mails I receive, perhaps you would be less inclined to hold this against me. Maybe not. Unfortunately, sometimes I'm a little more ambitious than me, in that I endeavor to take up several private conversations and then time makes me forget or neglect them. You have my sincere apology for neglecting to pursue a one-on-one conversation. I do not care if you post the freep-mails, although I do not see what it would profit you.
Now I am going to ask you politely to post a link to the place where I told you to "shove it," or have the assertion deleted.
If I may, I would like an answer to the above question first. Thank you.
First of all, I would like to thank you for allowing everyone the opportunity to relive your moments of glory. When I first googled "'daveloneranger' + 'asshole'" all I got was this. It doesn't involve me, so I was confused.
I do seem to remember, however a private freepmail exchange. It seems you initiated an exchange, saying how cool I was -- not like those other evo creeps -- and wouldn't I like to share my private thoughts with you. I do recall being a bit ticked off that I took the time to respond to your request, and you never called back. Jilted lovers are like that, Dave, but *hugs* anyway.
I would pay you to publish that entire exchange (no cheating -- both sides, including your Ted Bundy come-on to me). You obviously have it archived, so go for it.
Then there's the small matter of "shove it". I have to admit, I muffed the google search. But now I've found it.
Enjoy.
To: DaveLoneRangerThanks for the opportunity to relive the highlights of our time together. *hugs*
If you would like to associate me with DU and Hillary Clinton, I will point out that your view of evolution is indistinguishable from that of the guys who flew the planes into the WTC. Medieval ideas lead to barbaric actions.
Take your guilt by association and shove it.
32 posted on 05/12/2006 8:01:50 AM PDT by js1138 [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies ]
I think this has been sorted out. I've been here eight years, and it takes a bit of prodding to get me to the point where I use vulgar language. The "asshole" comment was in private, but Dave is more than welcome to publish it, in context. I rather doubt he wants to publish the full context.
The "shove it" comment was in public, and I am happy to provide the context. Anyone comparing me to Hillary Clinton because I am not a dunderhead is, to say the least, a bit confused about the concept. It would take someone so completely out of touch that they would post science articles demonstrating the opposite of what they claim them to say.
But Dave has the magic touch. It is not surprising he has been able to stockpile a massive collection of invective, some of it unrelated to crevo threads.
I invite anyone to google my screen name with any vulgarism of their choosing, and try to find more than a couple of examples. The most recent involved a horny quadruped who told people who disagreed with him to kill themselves.
So i guess you think the bit about the Invisible Pink Unicorn was a little over the top?
Dang!!! I didn't KNOW that!!
1 Timothy 1
1. Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the command of God our Savior and of Christ Jesus our hope,
2. To Timothy my true son in the faith: Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
3. As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
Ain't it amazing the things one learns on FR!
Exodus 3:14
God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: `I AM has sent me to you.'"
Does your 'bible' say 'what' instead of 'who' ?
(It also cleans up where Cain and Seth got wives from without incest.)
Does your 'bible' not prohit 'incest' until
Leviticus 18:6
"`No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the LORD.
like mine??
I haven't seen any 'sin' attributed to this:
Genesis 19:36
So both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father.
You'll never be able to PROVE anything to Mr. D.
How can you be SURE what you read REALLY came from 'GOD'?
Nothing new; as this same thought has been with us for a LONG time!
Genesis 3:1
Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, `You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"
Actually, to the Jews (and, by extention, Christians) only.
It's self-referential.
Bottom line: you either believe it, or you don't.
Over yer head ;^)
Critical view
On the basis of the language and content of the pastoral epistles, many scholars today doubt that they were written by Paul, and believe that they were written after his death. Critics examining the text fail to find its vocabulary and literary style similar to Paul's unquestionably authentic letters, fail to fit the life situation of Paul in the epistles into Paul's reconstructed biography, and identify principles of the emerged Christian church rather than those of the apostolic generation. In the First Epistle to Timothy, for example, the task of preserving the tradition is entrusted to ordained presbyters; the clear sense of presbuteros as an indication of an office, is a sense that to these scholars seems alien to Paul and the apostolic generation. Examples of other offices include the twelve apostles in Acts (an additional apostle was selected to replace Judas Iscariot) and the appointment of seven deacons, thus establishing the office of the diaconate. Presbuteros is sometimes translated as elder; by a longer route it is also the Greek root for the English word priest. (The office of presbyter is also mentioned in James chapter 5.)
Conversely, those who ascribe the books to Paul find their placement fits within his life and work (as above), and see the linguistical differences as complementary to differences in the recipients. Other Pauline epistles have fledgling congregations as the audience, the pastoral epistles are directed to Paul's close companions, evangelists whom he has extensively worked with and trained. In this view, linguistic differences are to be expected, if one is to assert Pauline authorship to them. However, many scholars have seen the arguments against Pauline authorship as convincing.
OOps!
It's #48 and it is GONE!
Did I 'whine' or merely point out that E and Christianity are INCOMPATIBLE?
If it offends your sensibilities so badly, Homeschool, or ignore that it exists, because it will not change because it upsets you.
(Glad you said if. I merely want to show 'belivers' in Jesus that His BOOK says things that go against popular opinion.
Joshua 24:15
But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD."
True, charlatans may abound, but their existance does not eliminate actual miracles.
NIV 1 Peter 3:14-17
14. But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. "Do not fear what they fear ; do not be frightened."
15. But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,
16. keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.
17. It is better, if it is God's will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.
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