Keep Darwin's 'lies' out of Polish schools: education official

AFP via Yahoo! News ^ | October 14, 2006

[lizol]

Keep Darwin's 'lies' out of Polish schools: education official 2 hours.

WARSAW (AFP) - Poland's deputy education minister called for the influential evolutionary theories of Charles Darwin not to be taught in the country's schools, branding them "lies."

"The theory of evolution is a lie, an error that we have legalised as a common truth," Miroslaw Orzechowski, the deputy minister in the country's right-wing coalition government, was quoted as saying by the Gazeta Wyborcza daily Saturday.

Orzechowski said the theory was "a feeble idea of an aged non-believer," who had come up with it "perhaps because he was a vegetarian and lacked fire inside him."

The evolution theory of the 19th-century British naturalist holds that existing animals and plants are the result of natural selection which eliminated inferior species gradually over time. This conflicts with the "creationist" theory that God created all life on the planet in a finite number.

Orzechowski called for a debate on whether Darwin's theory should be taught in schools.

"We should not teach lies, just as we should not teach bad instead of good, or ugliness instead of beauty," he said. "We are not going to withdraw (Darwin's theory) from the school books, but we should start to discuss it."

The deputy minister is a member of a Catholic far-right political group, the League of Polish Families. The league's head, Roman Giertych, is education minister in the conservative coalition government of Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski.

Giertych's father Maciej, who represents the league in the European Parliament, organised a discussion there last week on Darwinism. He described the theory as "not supported by proof" and called for it be removed from school books.

The far-right joined the government in May when Kaczynski's ruling conservative Law and Justice (PiS) party, after months of ineffective minority government, formed a coalition including LPR and the populist Sambroon party.

Roman Giertych has not spoken out on Darwinism, but the far-right politician's stance on other issues has stirred protest in Poland since he joined the government.

A school pupils' association was expected to demonstrate in front of the education ministry on Saturday to call for his resignation.

[stands2reason]

I'm pro-God as well.

[nmh]

"Why do you have to be rude? "

I'm not being rude. Have yo checked what was written to ME? Or is that PLANK apply one way - when others disagree with you?

"It's rather hypocritical to complain about nastiness and then call people "morons." "

Sometimes the truth hurts but truly whoever buys into evolution is just that. Evolution is moronic!

"How's that plank feel in your eye?"

I don't have one. I do stand on truth. As I mentioned, truth isn't always the way you'd like it to be.

Speaking of truth ... can you help me understand how the brain "evolve"? How did your eye "evolve"? Just where oh where is that "missing link" from an ape to a human? How did it happen? Where is the EVIDENCE of this imaginary transition? How did life "evolve" from inanimate objects? I'm only pointing our how moronic evolution is. It makes no sense and defies the very laws of science evolutionists clamor to worship. Evolution is a religion.

I can't help but call a spade a spade. Evolution and those that believe it are moronic!

[Elsie]

No, Jesus said many false Christs will come, he's just one more.

 

 

Folks are ALWAYS looking for a messiah!

 

NIV Luke 3:15
   The people were waiting expectantly and were all wondering in their hearts if John might possibly be the Christ.

 

Even John, when in jail, despondent, awaiting his death, asked...

 

NIV Matthew 11:2-5
 2.  When John heard in prison what Christ was doing, he sent his disciples
 3.  to ask him, "Are you the one who was to come, or should we expect someone else?"
 4.  Jesus replied, "Go back and report to John what you hear and see:
 5.  The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy are cured, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is preached to the poor.

 

MIRACLES!!!

 

 

Can 'Rev.' Moon do 'em???

 

 

NIV John 10:37-39
 37.  Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does.
 38.  But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father."
 39.  Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp.
 

 

NIV John 3:2
   He came to Jesus at night and said, "Rabbi, we know you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the miraculous signs you are doing if God were not with him."

 

NIV John 4:53-54
 53.  Then the father realized that this was the exact time at which Jesus had said to him, "Your son will live." So he and all his household believed.
 54.  This was the second miraculous sign that Jesus performed, having come from Judea to Galilee.

 

NIV John 6:1-2
 1.  Some time after this, Jesus crossed to the far shore of the Sea of Galilee (that is, the Sea of Tiberias), 
 2.  and a great crowd of people followed him because they saw the miraculous signs he had performed on the sick.

 

NIV John 6:14
  After the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus did, they began to say, "Surely this is the Prophet who is to come into the world."

 

NIV John 7:3
   Jesus' brothers said to him, "You ought to leave here and go to Judea, so that your disciples may see the miracles you do.

 

NIV John 7:21
   Jesus said to them, "I did one miracle, and you are all astonished

 

NIV John 7:31
   Still, many in the crowd put their faith in him. They said, "When the Christ comes, will he do more miraculous signs than this man?"

 

NIV John 10:24-26
 24.  The Jews gathered around him, saying, "How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ,  tell us plainly."
 25.  Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me,
 26.  but you do not believe because you are not my sheep.

 

NIV John 11:47
   Then the chief priests and the Pharisees called a meeting of the Sanhedrin.   "What are we accomplishing?" they asked. "Here is this man performing many miraculous signs.

 

NIV John 12:37
   Even after Jesus had done all these miraculous signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him.

 

NIV John 14:9-11
  9.  Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, `Show us the Father'?
 10.  Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
 11.  Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.

 

NIV John 20:30-31
 30.  Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book.
 31.  But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

 

 

[Elsie]

 

I always find it amusing when a creationist starts flipping out about evolution, evolution is scientific, and has nothing to do with your religious beliefs.

 

Ok; but some of us ain't laffin'.

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Most Christians 'believe' Evolution because they do NOT know what their Bible says.

If, as they say, they 'believe' the words of Jesus and the New Testament writers,

they have to decide what the following verses mean:

Acts 17:26-27
26. From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live.
27. God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us.

Romans 5:12-21
12. Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned--
13. for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.
14. Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.
15. But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!
16. Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.
17. For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
18. Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men.
19. For just as through the disobedience of the one man, the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
20. The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,
21. so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

If there were no one man, that means SIN did NOT enter the World thru him.

If Adam was NOT the one man, that means SPIRITUAL DEATH did not come thru him.

If SIN did NOT enter the World thru the one man, that means Jesus does not save from SIN.

Are we to believe that the one man is symbolic? Does that mean Jesus is symbolic as well?

The Theory of Evolution states that there WAS no one man, but a wide population that managed to inherit that last mutated gene that makes MEN different from APES.

Acts 17:24-26

24. "The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands.
25. And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything, because he himself gives all men life and breath and everything else.
26. From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live.

Was LUKE wrong about this?

1 Corinthians 11:8-9
8. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man;
9. neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.

1 Timothy 2:13

For Adam was formed first, then Eve.

Was Paul WRONG about these???

If so, is GOD so puny that He allows this 'inaccuracy' in His Word??

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And THIS verse is completely against E!!!

NIV Genesis 2:18
The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."

[Elsie]

Disgusting stuff, Dr. Pepper.

NIV Mark 2:17
On hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

[nmh]

Maybe this will make you feel better.

I also believe people that take Hillary Clinton seriously are also moronic. I know, that's not nice but it is the truth. I know, people will argue till their blue in the face that SHE is looking out for their best interests. I say, nonsense! Will I get through to them with the MOUNTAINS of evidence indicating otherwise? No! Like evolutionists they have the same mindset. They don't wish to view the evidence objectively nor can they answer simple questions. Yet, they expect ME to believe that I was derived from an ape - with NO evidence! No explanations on how the human body "evolved" over oodles of years yet I am supposed to readily agree I am derived from an ape!

Absolutely ludicrous!

Don't bother trying to answer my questions on how life "evolved" from inanimate material. You have NO answer.

[Elsie]

I was hoping that 'alter ego' humor might help to get your attention ...

Ha!!!

Yer 'AE' thing is just one more way to insult us fine, upstanding E believers!

A pox on ye!!

--EvoDude

[Vinomori]

you mean the universe wasn't greated in seven days?

[Vinomori]

you mean the universe wasn't created in seven days?

[Elsie]

By definition you must logically accept it if you accept ID, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

Oh??

Why?

[Elsie]

(I'm PatHenry I'm the real PatHenry all the other PatHenrys are just imitators)

Altered Ego alert!

[sirchtruth]

Figure 1.4.4. Fossil hominid skulls.

I assume there is a factual explaination for how scientist know without a doubt all those are Hominid skulls.

What is it?

[Elsie]

That's real slick!

[Dimensio]

Well He wrote them.

How have you determined this?

[Dimensio]

To falsify something is to present a condition opposite or contrary to what is predicted or expected. Intelligent design predicts order.

Why?

The absence of intelligent design, therefore, predicts chaos.

How have you determined that "order" cannot exist without intelligent design?

[Elsie]

I assume there is a factual explaination for how scientist know without a doubt all those are Hominid skulls. What is it?

Why....

They all fit the 'definition'!

[sirchtruth]

Evolution, despite the protestations of creationists who really don't have any input into the science, is the change in allele frequency within a population due to differential reproductive success. This has been observed many times in the wild.

Could you give me an example?

Why would you expect an intermediary species to still be alive?

Why would you expect one not to be? Look, if evolution takes all this time for one species to form into another, by definition there HAS to be intermediate examples!!!

The basics problem with the TOE is there was NOT enough time!

[dread78645]

Was Paul WRONG about these???

Yes.

(But then, he didn't write 1 Timothy either. So it's not fair to blame him for that.)

[Coyoteman]

Figure 1.4.4. Fossil hominid skulls.

I assume there is a factual explaination for how scientist know without a doubt all those are Hominid skulls.

What is it?

Each skull has been studied and studied again by some pretty sharp folks. They have been argued over, some for decades. New studies rely heavily on computers. Folks are pretty much figuring out what they are.

(Actually, if you read the labels, the first one is a modern chimp.)

[sirchtruth]

Let me also point this out. I really appreciate your responses because they tend to really grasp onto a point and don't beat around the bush. If anyone should make a case for evolution it should be you because your explanations are quite plausible.

Thanks, C.