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To: SeenTheLights Mom; Army Air Corps; HitmanLV; Alberta's Child; proud_yank; scott7278; Rca2000; ...
From there, the argument that we need to scrap masculinity is fairly simple. To illustrate it, remember back to right after 9/11. A number of commentators argued that criticisms of masculinity should be rethought. Cannot we now see -- recognizing that male firefighters raced into burning buildings, risking and sometimes sacrificing their lives to save others -- that masculinity can encompass a kind of strength that is rooted in caring and sacrifice? Of course men often exhibit such strength, just as do women. So, the obvious question arises: What makes these distinctly masculine characteristics? Are they not simply human characteristics?

The next time a building is on fire with you in it, I wish a 5'0” 80 lbs firefighter woman comes to your rescue. I'm sure you won't diminish her effort and sacrifice to save your butt from the engulfing flames. She might not have the strength of a masculine man, but she possesses the noble human characteristics that will suffice to save you from an imminent death. If in the process she fails, we can all feel proud that men and women are considered equally endowed with comparable traits and characteristics, to the exclusion of important differences.

All jokes aside, I hope masculinity never disappears. Real women like real men, and that means masculine men. I've loved the idea of real men since I was a little girl. No one told me to, it was in my mind and built into my system. Whenever I saw a movie I picked the masculine guy as the guy I liked the most... no wimpies, crybabies, or mama boys, I never liked that.

I don't necessary consider masculine men to be calendar boys with a massive body structure. They are usually gays and they totally turn me off. Sure, a nicely built man is always nice, but more importantly is the way they think, and the way they relate to women. I like guys who are courteous and sweet, as I find that to be totally masculine.

A masculine guy is a man who makes his voice heard, and I don't mean by shouting. He is a man who commands respect, who isn't a henpeck, and who doesn't listen to old ladies tales. Rather, he is able to stand for himself and think for himself. See, effeminate guys love to be around the old biddies for the latest gossip... this reminds me of a hairdresser I had a few years ago who was gay and loved to gossip with the old ladies. A real man doesn't do that.

A masculine man is protective, romantic, and courteous and as the same time tough – he doesn't waffle. My idea of masculine man is Donald Rumsfeld (he's old but he still looks good), Bibi Netanyahu, (I love Bibi.) And from the movies... I was a kid when I saw My Fair Lady and fell in love with Rex Harrison, lol, he could've been my grandfather, but I thought he was beautiful and a manly man. Also, when I saw Christopher Plummer in the Sound of Music, oh wow! John Wayne, Steve McQueen, Humphrey Bogart.

I can't think of an actor roughly my age who is a manly man. Leonardo DiCaprio, yikes! Keanu Reeves, double yikes. If we talk of older ones... Tom Cruise, Ben Affleck, Matt Damon, ughhhhh you got to be kidding me. I think Damon is gay and Tom... well...

See, it's hard to measure up with the old timers.... the truly masculine men. I'm not saying there aren't masculine men nowadays, but God forbid they get swept into the current fagginess so prevalent among the elite class and the pseudo intellectuals.

152 posted on 10/13/2006 8:37:30 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
John Wayne

Victoria, you just went up a notch in my book.

I can't think of an actor roughly my age who is a manly man. Leonardo DiCaprio, yikes! Keanu Reeves, double yikes. If we talk of older ones... Tom Cruise, Ben Affleck, Matt Damon, ughhhhh you got to be kidding me. I think Damon is gay and Tom... well...

Two, three.... well, many more notches :-)

Great post.
153 posted on 10/13/2006 8:48:02 PM PDT by proud_yank (Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
A masculine man is protective, romantic, and courteous and as the same time tough – he doesn't waffle. My idea of masculine man is Donald Rumsfeld (he's old but he still looks good), Bibi Netanyahu, (I love Bibi.) and Scott. And from the movies... I was a kid when I saw My Fair Lady and fell in love with Rex Harrison, lol, he could've been my grandfather, but I thought he was beautiful and a manly man. Also, when I saw Christopher Plummer in the Sound of Music, oh wow! John Wayne, Steve McQueen, Humphrey Bogart...

Hee, hee.

154 posted on 10/13/2006 8:49:01 PM PDT by scott7278 (The War on Terror includes defending the homefront from the MSM.)
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To: Victoria Delsoul

On a similar note, I love truly feminine women. Women who have a good heart and a good mind and who are a compliment to a man rather than a competitor against a man in a relationship. Also, what the hell happened to fashion models? I look at movies from the 1950s and 1960s and see women who are built like women and not stick-thin, hipless waifs. I would much rather see more women look like Anne Margaret rather than Paris Hilton.


157 posted on 10/13/2006 8:50:48 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Any man in your life is a lucky man indeed.

Hats off.

161 posted on 10/13/2006 8:53:06 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Holy moley, Victoria -- this has to be one of the best posts I've ever seen on FreeRepublic!

I don't necessary consider masculine men to be calendar boys with a massive body structure. They are usually gays and they totally turn me off.

LOL!!!

164 posted on 10/13/2006 8:57:33 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Well said! Kudos and thanks for posting these insightful thoughts! I think way too many people are just very unsure of what they want to be in life, and what they want out of life.

One one hand, we have more than ever people saying how strong their self esteem is and how independent they are, and on the other hand we have more people than ever clearly in unhappy situations with their love lives. So much for many folks 'knowing what they want.'

I think being basically honest and realistic with yourself is essential to any kind of fulfillment in life. You have clarity on this issue and that is very rare. Congrats! :-)
171 posted on 10/13/2006 9:05:54 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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Re: Your post 152...

Thunderous Applause!

Full Disclosure: can you name a male leading actor of yesteryear who sets your heart aflame (or would, if he were that age today...)?

Cheers!

175 posted on 10/13/2006 9:08:52 PM PDT by grey_whiskers
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Hey there Victoria!

What a great post.

I listened to Father Loya, a Catholic priest featured regularly on Relevant Radio, talk about musculinity in the context of Pope John Paul's theology of the body, a few weeks ago. You are right on with your assessment, and very much reiterates the writings of Pope John Paul, The Great.

Masculinity allows men to be confident to their faith, and their absolute respect for women. When others try to dismiss the masculinity of man they totally dismiss the attributes that the good Lord has given man. Strong, caring, respectful, and faithful to God are so intrinsic to man's identity that they should not be dismissed as sexist or backwards. Unfortunately we are living in a society now that is hell bent to change all of the rules that has made our society successful. When did the arrogance start?

I certainly believe it was lost when people started losing focus on God, and all the blessings that he has bestowed upon man.

During the week I was reading some philosophy of God's existence from St. Thomas Aquinas, and I told my students when I refer to "man" I am speaking for men and women. I told them I will not dumb down the translation to make it not seem "Sexist" or out dated. They liked the idea that this was done.

Sometimes I think my 8th grade CCD students know more than a lot of adults that are out there. They understand that there are differences in men and women, and those differences are blessings.

Great post... You are a tremendous woman to behold, and are worth defending and/or rescuing, should you ever need it!

God Bless.

215 posted on 10/14/2006 4:44:08 AM PDT by Northern Yankee ( Stay The Course!)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
All jokes aside, I hope masculinity never disappears. Real women like real men, and that means masculine men.

Bravo, Victoria! You are all woman!! Real women such as you inspire real men everywhere ;-)

217 posted on 10/14/2006 5:32:16 AM PDT by DakotaGator
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To: Victoria Delsoul
BRAVO!! lovely, BRAVO!!

(Oh, and BTW-- I am SURE that the terrorists would live for this fruitcake's ideas to come to pass....AL Quadea LOVES panty-waisted men........sheep for the slaughter!!!)
246 posted on 10/14/2006 7:26:49 PM PDT by Rca2000 (NEVER underestimate the power of the pajama party!!)
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Yeah, what you said, especially about Bibi! One of the hunkiest men alive!


253 posted on 10/15/2006 6:59:22 PM PDT by BruceysMom (I'm surrounded by liberals But its ok I'm reloading.)
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