Posted on 09/27/2006 9:56:09 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
Why Darwinism is doomed
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Posted: September 27, 2006 1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Jonathan Wells, Ph.D.
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© 2006
Harvard evolutionary biologist Stephen Jay Gould wrote in 1977: "Biology took away our status as paragons created in the image of God." Darwinism teaches that we are accidental byproducts of purposeless natural processes that had no need for God, and this anti-religious dogma enjoys a taxpayer-funded monopoly in America's public schools and universities. Teachers who dare to question it openly have in many cases lost their jobs.
The issue here is not "evolution" a broad term that can mean simply change within existing species (which no one doubts). The issue is Darwinism which claims that all living things are descended from a common ancestor, modified by natural selection acting on random genetic mutations.
According to Darwinists, there is such overwhelming evidence for their view that it should be considered a fact. Yet to the Darwinists' dismay, at least three-quarters of the American people citizens of the most scientifically advanced country in history reject it.
A study published Aug. 11 in the pro-Darwin magazine Science attributes this primarily to biblical fundamentalism, even though polls have consistently shown that half of the Americans who reject Darwinism are not biblical fundamentalists. Could it be that the American people are skeptical of Darwinism because they're smarter than Darwinists think?
On Aug. 17, the pro-Darwin magazine Nature reported that scientists had just found the "brain evolution gene." There is circumstantial evidence that this gene may be involved in brain development in embryos, and it is surprisingly different in humans and chimpanzees. According to Nature, the gene may thus harbor "the secret of what makes humans different from our nearest primate relatives."
Three things are remarkable about this report. First, it implicitly acknowledges that the evidence for Darwinism was never as overwhelming as its defenders claim. It has been almost 30 years since Gould wrote that biology accounts for human nature, yet Darwinists are just now turning up a gene that may have been involved in brain evolution.
Second, embryologists know that a single gene cannot account for the origin of the human brain. Genes involved in embryo development typically have multiple effects, and complex organs such as the brain are influenced by many genes. The simple-mindedness of the "brain evolution gene" story is breathtaking.
Third, the only thing scientists demonstrated in this case was a correlation between a genetic difference and brain size. Every scientist knows, however, that correlation is not the same as causation. Among elementary school children, reading ability is correlated with shoe size, but this is because young schoolchildren with small feet have not yet learned to read not because larger feet cause a student to read better or because reading makes the feet grow. Similarly, a genetic difference between humans and chimps cannot tell us anything about what caused differences in their brains unless we know what the gene actually does. In this case, as Nature reports, "what the gene does is a mystery."
So after 150 years, Darwinists are still looking for evidence any evidence, no matter how skimpy to justify their speculations. The latest hype over the "brain evolution gene" unwittingly reveals just how underwhelming the evidence for their view really is.
The truth is Darwinism is not a scientific theory, but a materialistic creation myth masquerading as science. It is first and foremost a weapon against religion especially traditional Christianity. Evidence is brought in afterwards, as window dressing.
This is becoming increasingly obvious to the American people, who are not the ignorant backwoods religious dogmatists that Darwinists make them out to be. Darwinists insult the intelligence of American taxpayers and at the same time depend on them for support. This is an inherently unstable situation, and it cannot last.
If I were a Darwinist, I would be afraid. Very afraid.
Get Wells' widely popular "Politically Incorrect Guide to Darwinism and Intelligent Design"
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Jonathan Wells is the author of "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Darwinism and Intelligent Design" (Regnery, 2006) and Icons of Evolution (Regnery, 2000). He holds a Ph.D. in biology from the University of California at Berkeley and a Ph.D. in theology from Yale University. Wells is currently a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute in Seattle
Newton certainly had some "interesting" outside activities. I guess you have more time if you're willing to die a virgin.
All the same, I'll assume you are familiar with some of the facts discussed there.
Me: the hypothetical designer is not a good engineer.
You: . Is the designer primarily an engineer at all?
Primarily? Who knows? But I would say that engineering is one aspect of "intelligent" design. The recurrent laryngeal nerve, for example, has never been justified on any rational design basis; it's simply and unambiguously a stupid design.
2. If so, was the designer acting IN that capacity when making life-forms as we know them?
If one claims that the design is intelligent, then yes, the aesthetics of engineering enter into it. Particularly using as few parts/materials as possible, not over-complicating things. Evolution predicts a Rube Goldberg sort of "design", which is what we find in the examples I cited.
3. Do the life forms as we know them accurately reflect the original designs? ("It's life, Jim, but not as we know it.")
Who knows? What bearing does this have on the recurrent laryngeal nerve?
a. What if the designer made life forms and walked away (semi-Deist view) and subsequent evolution has screwed stuff up?
Has no bearing on the recurrent laryngeal nerve; it's invariant across all the vertebrates.
b. What if other supernatural agents have corrupted things since the original design?
Purely idle speculation in the absence of evidence. Again, has no bearing on the routing of nerves.
c. What if the original design was for conditions far different than we have now?
See above re: the recurrent laryngeal nerve. The evolutionary explanation for its circuitous path is that in fish the heart is much further forward than it is in tetrapods. In the embryo, the nerve starts out OK, then is constrained by the topology of it and the aorta as the heart and aorta move away from the laryngeal area.
d. If the designer made life forms as an engineer, and you think present conditions reflect the environment for which they were designed, AND there was no skulduggery since then, do you know the intended purposes for the life forms as they were designed, both ultimate and proximate? Think of some of the engineering school challenges to build vehicles to get ultra-high gas mileage...I bet they'd *suck* on crash-test ratings. But they weren't trying for safety anyway. Or for another example, "Build a working suspension bridge entirely out of toothpicks" or "Design and build a working electric car for under $1000".
How about simply "connect the brain stem to the larynx"? Or, "connect in a way that won't lead to anomalies after evolution has moved things around"?
e. Are these the final designs or is the earth a workshop or proving ground where various ideas are beta tested, or prototypes made for "proof of concept" ?
More idle speculation, in the complete absence of any evidence for it.
Etc. Etc. ad nauseum.
And no, I don't consider this nitpicking. Some of the objections are a hat tip to Christian theology, since the complaint is that ID is Christian creationism in drag; if you think this, than it is only fair to at least raise an eyebrow towards other purported factors which are brought in by Christian theology. And the other objections are something most any competent project manager would consider when beginning an engineering project.
None of your apologetic says a thing about how any competent intelligence could design the recurrent laryngeal nerve.
Keep in mind the nerve is a stand-in for hundreds of examples of bad design. Easy to explain in evolution, not so easy to reconcile with competence.
You really don't get it. Even if you don't agree, it is still evidence. The point is he did provide evidence therefore you are not allowed to be intellectually lazy (or dishonest) and claim he provided no evidence. As for the "personal attack" rambling - it does not make sense - try again.
That he presents it as evidence does not make it so. There are objective criteria for what does and does not constitute evidence. As far as I'm concerned if it doesn't meet those criteria then it isn't evidence. Deal with it.
True. But just because you think it is not evidence, does not make it so.
Let's put it this way: Evidence is in the eye of the beholder.
Intellectual relativism that would make the leftiest left proud.
The concept of "evidence", and the rules about what does and does not constitute evidence were in place before I got here. What I think doesn't change it one way or the other.
Let's put it this way: Evidence is in the eye of the beholder.
No it isn't, and there can be no rational basis for inquiry or debate if it is.
But I intend to reply (w/o flames...)
Cheers!
g_w: Is the designer primarily an engineer at all?
v_a:Primarily? Who knows? But I would say that engineering is one aspect of "intelligent" design. The recurrent laryngeal nerve, for example, has never been justified on any rational design basis; it's simply and unambiguously a stupid design.
g_w_2: 1st misunderstanding. What I was trying to imply was that maybe the designer was not trying to engineer anything (in the sense of efficiency, elegance, etc.) but was perhaps trying aesthetic or artistic taste. According to the designer's own standards.
g_w: If so, was the designer acting IN that capacity when making life-forms as we know them?
If one claims that the design is intelligent, then yes, the aesthetics of engineering enter into it. Particularly using as few parts/materials as possible, not over-complicating things. Evolution predicts a Rube Goldberg sort of "design", which is what we find in the examples I cited.
g_w_2: You *appear* to be making a couple of assumptions here, which, though reasonable, remain arbitrary. For all you know, the designer put in elements like the recurrent laryngeal nerve as a kind of "flourish" or signature; or like the tail fins on a 1950's-era chevy. You are implicitly assuming that everything that is there, was put there with an explicit function. Supposedly intelligent designers (but here opinions may differ) also created the Edsel. :-)
And for that matter, there's always Picasso.
g_w: Do the life forms as we know them accurately reflect the original designs? ("It's life, Jim, but not as we know it.")
Who knows? What bearing does this have on the recurrent laryngeal nerve?
If the original design was for vastly different conditions, things which now look anomalous might have made sense at the time.
g_w:What if the designer made life forms and walked away (semi-Deist view) and subsequent evolution has screwed stuff up?
v_a:Has no bearing on the recurrent laryngeal nerve; it's invariant across all the vertebrates.
g_w_2: That depends on what point in the process the designer walked away; for example, with invertebrates.
g_w:What if other supernatural agents have corrupted things since the original design?
v_a:Purely idle speculation in the absence of evidence. Again, has no bearing on the routing of nerves.
g_w_2: No more idle speculation than assuming that an intelligent designer was necessarily guided primarily by notions of efficiency; or assuming (say) vestigial hind leg buds in seagoing mammals is a mistake, instead of a 'tip of the hat' in honor of another designer's work.
But for some reason, you appear to ignore that your assumption that an intelligent designer is motivated by efficiency and economy is ITSELF an assumption. On certain presuppositions, it is defensible; but you have no way of 'checking' those presuppositions.
g_w: What if the original design was for conditions far different than we have now?
v_a:See above re: the recurrent laryngeal nerve. The evolutionary explanation for its circuitous path is that in fish the heart is much further forward than it is in tetrapods. In the embryo, the nerve starts out OK, then is constrained by the topology of it and the aorta as the heart and aorta move away from the laryngeal area.
That raises an entirely different issue of the "ontology recapitulates philogeny" type; and an interesting observation from software engineering. Think of class inheritance. It may be that, for the sake of software re-engineering, you may "kludge" a subclass from a higher-level class, even though it involves certain inconveniences, because of certain other advantages related to disk space, not wanting to add new class libraries, etc.
What you point out about the laryngeal nerve being "evolutionary" since the heart in fish is far forward, and as the embryonic development differs from species to species, could also be taken as an economy of "design"--using a standard template for embryonic development.
Not insisting this is the case, but without getting to discuss with the designer, you won't always see why things were done.
Off-topic segue...Urban legend has it that when a Cuban pilot defected to Florida with a Russian MiG during the Cold War, the US military engineers were *astounded* at how carefully the plane had been built, apparently with the goal of making it impervious to EMP. (Vaccuum tubes etc. instead of solid-state electronics, and so on.) So this figured into US estimates of the Soviet willingness to engage in nuclear war. As it turns out, after the Cold War ended, we found out the *real* reason for the primitive electronics: the Soviet electronics industry was not able to make enough of the advanced parts to high enough tolerance to be reliable for military use. So instead, they used a brute-force approach with low-tech.
Point being, what might seem *obvious* on inspection of a design after the fact, might be an *artefact* of completely different design goals or constraints.
g_w:If the designer made life forms as an engineer, and you think present conditions reflect the environment for which they were designed, AND there was no skulduggery since then, do you know the intended purposes for the life forms as they were designed, both ultimate and proximate? Think of some of the engineering school challenges to build vehicles to get ultra-high gas mileage...I bet they'd *suck* on crash-test ratings. But they weren't trying for safety anyway. Or for another example, "Build a working suspension bridge entirely out of toothpicks" or "Design and build a working electric car for under $1000".
v_a:How about simply "connect the brain stem to the larynx"? Or, "connect in a way that won't lead to anomalies after evolution has moved things around"?
g_w_2: See above. Maybe the designer liked the fetal development sequence so much, it was decided to keep the essentials of the process, regardless of the resultant (minor) anomalies.
g_w:Are these the final designs or is the earth a workshop or proving ground where various ideas are beta tested, or prototypes made for "proof of concept" ?
v_a:More idle speculation, in the complete absence of any evidence for it.
g_w_2:Not *idle* speculation, as it presents a plausible alternative to your strawman of "if it doesn't make sense to the criteria *I* subscribe to, as an elegant solution, it CANNOT have been the result of design."
v_a: None of your apologetic says a thing about how any competent intelligence could design the recurrent laryngeal nerve.
Keep in mind the nerve is a stand-in for hundreds of examples of bad design. Easy to explain in evolution, not so easy to reconcile with competence.
g_w_2: Not necessarily true. Nice swashbuckling type debate points, but you are *assuming* that your notions of compactness and elegance are the same ones the intelligent designer had in mind. Yes, it is a *reasonable* assumption, and one that can be defended as a reasonable assumption ("why would an engineer want to do it like that? it would be more elegant, economical, etc. to do it like this instead."). But it remains an assumption, until you know what trade-offs and effects the designer had in mind.
That is why I said you had been *jumping to conclusions*...
Cheers!
Ok. Replace A with aardvark.
Where does the anteater show up?
Haven't we all?
Where is the equivalent of punk-eek on your spectrum?
Many E folk still say this is a valid portion of the ToE.
Nothing. Why?
Watch out!
This a prelude to having your soul removed!!
;^)
23!
45!
11!
Sigh.... some can tell 'em, and some can't.
Got a reference on this?
Isn't that what Foley's being accused of??
But not ONLY one.
(more, more....)
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