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Third Night of 'Ramadan Rioting' in Capital of Europe
The Brussels Journal ^ | 09/27/2006 | Paul Belien

Posted on 09/27/2006 6:50:46 AM PDT by Republicain

It looks as if immigrants youths want to turn nightly rioting during the Islamic holy month of ramadan into an annual tradition. Around 8:30pm last night violence erupted again in Brussels, the capital of Europe. The riots centered on the Brussels Marollen quarter and the area near the Midi Train Station, where the international trains from London and Paris arrive. Youths threw stones at passing people and cars, windows of parked cars were smashed, bus shelters were demolished, cars were set ablaze, a youth club was arsoned and a shop was looted. Two molotov cocktails were thrown into St.Peter’s hospital, one of the main hospitals of central Brussels. The fire brigade was able to extinguish the fires at the hospital, but youths managed to steal the keys of the fire engine.

During the month of ramadan Muslims are required to fast during the day and are only allowed to eat after sunset. As Esther pointed out “What should be noticed about the riots is that they start after sunset. Besides the fact that they start after dark, it also gives the rioters enough time to break their fast and enjoy the traditional family meal. Sunset is around 7:30pm.” Tuesday’s and Monday’s riots began around 8:30pm.

Last night the police arrested 45 rioters. One of them will be prosecuted for assaulting the owner of a shop. Philippe Close, the chef de cabinet of the Mayor of Brussels, Freddy Thielemans, said that the authorities would continue their efforts to defuse the situation in a peaceful manner, but he announced that the police will be less complacent in future, “since we cannot tolerate that this [Marollen] neighbourhood falls victim to a problem from outside the neighbourhood.”

The immigrant youths claim that they are upset by the death of Fayçal Chaaban, a 25-year old criminal, in a Brussels prison last Sunday. Yesterday morning the authorities announced they would hold a meeting with the youths to hear their grievances about security in prison, but the meeting, which was due last night, could not take place because of the riots.

The authorities are especially nervous since the Belgian municipal elections are being held on Sunday October 8th. It is likely that the elections will be won by anti-immigrant, “islamophobic” parties. Since ramadan will not be over on October 8th and many immigrants might perceive a victory of the indigenous right (as opposed to their own far-right) as an insult, Muslim indignation over the election results in major cities may spark serious disturbances. According to a poll published today the Vlaams Belang party is set to win 38.6% of the vote in Antwerp (compared to 33,0% in the previous municipal elections six years ago).

More on this topic (with links to the 2005 Ramadan Riots):

Ramadan Rioting in Brussels, 26 September 2006


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
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To: zek157

True enough about having created a nightmare. However, the EU countries have navies, but the muzzies don't. Load 'em up on ships, and dump 'em off on a coast somewhere in camel land.


241 posted on 09/28/2006 9:04:49 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free
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To: exnavy
We didn't have to slaughter every man, woman, and child in Japan or Germany after WWII even though they both pledged to fight to the last man.

I do not fear Germans or Japanese, even those who practice Shinto or were raised as Hitler Youth. While some military figures tried to fight the long lost war, most moved on and realized that their goal of conquering a global empire for a thousand years was ended.

Even the neo-nazis of today pose little threat; except for the muslim nazis who PARTNERED with Hitler's Germany. Their antisemitism is unabated and they do strike out at men, women, and children.

I asked in this thread about Mecca. When will the same pressure be brought to bear on Saudi Arabia that was brought down on South Africa with worldwide scorn over discrimination? What about religious freedom?

I saw the city of Mecca compared to a Mormon church. There are nations that Jews are not permitted to enter. Theocratic rule means that Islam IS political as well as religious.

I don't have to tolerate the politics of Nazis or Communists. I may not call for war against these nations but I can speak out against the opression in such nations. When the nations wage war on my nation, we can strike back.

There are nations that sponsor international terrorism. Saddam Hussein's Iraq was one such nation. Lebanon's blind eye to Hezbollah is another. War on a nation is a justified response in some instances. You are with us or with the terrorists.

I knew on 9-11-2001 that we were plunged into a war that would last a long time and possibly my entire lifetime. Such actions cannot be permitted to stand without a response. And we did exercise caution and did not launch random attacks immediately. I fear that President Gore would have launched some missiles someplace to show that he was not weak.

242 posted on 09/28/2006 9:05:56 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: acw011

I came to bible reading late and was totally amazed the first time I read this!


243 posted on 09/28/2006 9:09:39 AM PDT by pepperdog
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To: zimdog
I don't see any ambiguity in what the Koran says about either Allah, or non believers.

Quran Surah 2:
1. Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 6
2. Allah has sickened their hearts. A painful doom is theirs because they lie
12. Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.
13. War is ordained by Allah.
10. The Fire is prepared for disbelievers. 131
11. We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire
Quran Surah 4:
6-8Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 74
Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil.
Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 89
If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant.
Quran Surah 5:
3. Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom.
7. Christians will be burned in the Fire.
Quran Surah 8:
7. The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers.
Surah 9
5. If you refuse to fight, Allah will afflict you with a painful doom.
1. 10.-14 Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway.
Allah will afflict disbelievers with a painful doom in this world and the Hereafter. For disbelievers there will be a painful doom.
Don't pray for idolaters (not even for your family) after it is clear they are people of hell-fire.
Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you.
Quran Surah 11
2. Those who oppose Islam and disbelieve in the Hereafter are guilty of the greatest wrong
Surah 24:
8. The only true believers are those who believe in Allah and his messenger.
Quran Surah 28:
1-4 Allah has completely destroyed many communities.
Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom, saying: Where are My partners whom ye imagined?
Allah caused the earth to swallow Korah.
Never help disbelievers
Quran Surah 33:
1 .Don't obey disbelievers
Quran Surah 58:
1. For disbelievers is a painful doom. 4
2. For disbelievers is a shameful doom. 5
3. Don't make friends with Allah's enemies. For those who do so, Allah has prepared a dreadful doom. 14-15
4. Those who turn others away from the way of Allah will have a shameful doom. They are rightful owners of the Fire. 16-17
5. Those who oppose Allah and His Messenger will be among the lowest. 20
6. On the Last Day good Muslims will not love their non-Muslim friends and family members, not even their fathers, sons, or brothers (or their mothers, daughters, or sisters). 22
Quran Surah 60:
1. Don't be friends with disbelievers. They are your (and Allah's) enemy. 1
2. Don't be friends with those who have warred against you because of religion. Whoever makes friends with them is a wrong-doer. 9
3. Don't be friends with those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. They are Allah's enemies. 13
244 posted on 09/28/2006 9:25:41 AM PDT by zek157
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To: exnavy
You know I think the local tone of genocide arises out of the understandable perception of islamists wanting to perform that act on us. Therefore, in a them or us situation most of us choose them. This would be terrible and regrettable despite the fact that the societies from which the extremist nut jobs come condone their acts by lack of resistance if not outright support. We have the ability to annihilate the Muslims if we choose. That act would come at a high price on many fronts. Thank god we are the ones with the ability and restraint. But, if things get out of hand they will be the ones to reap the whirlwind. And deservedly so.
245 posted on 09/28/2006 9:45:30 AM PDT by smaug6 (We can't afford to be innocent!! Stand up and face the enemy.)
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To: smaug6

Agreed.


246 posted on 09/28/2006 9:59:11 AM PDT by exnavy (God bless America)
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To: weegee

I concur.


247 posted on 09/28/2006 10:01:34 AM PDT by exnavy (God bless America)
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To: exnavy
That is a step farther than you indicated, and, most would, including you, have a major problem with the children part.

I don't know about that. The Japanese soldiers who took part in Nanking were once normal people. The SS were once normal people. The American soldiers who gunned down native children in plains villages were normal people. History is rife with stories of normal people rising up to do monsterous things. I'm firmly convinced that the capability is within almost all of us to become monsters if the conditions are right and popular opinion is with us.
248 posted on 09/28/2006 11:23:11 AM PDT by Arthalion
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To: Republicain

many immigrants might perceive a victory of the indigenous right (as opposed to their own far-right) as an insult,

Proof once again that the civilized world live only to insult Muslims. Now even election results are an insult.
JEEZ!!!!!! When will we wake up and challenge these cockroaches without apology and without fear that we might "insult" them?


249 posted on 09/28/2006 11:59:23 AM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: zek157

They cannot be sent to their parents home countries.

How about jail? But then I guess that would insult them too.


250 posted on 09/28/2006 12:00:50 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: LikeLight

islamophobia = the "irrational" fear of muslims

I'd say there is nothing irrational here.


251 posted on 09/28/2006 12:04:30 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: Joan Kerrey
I'd say there is nothing irrational here.

I know. I was attempting to mock those appeasers who think they're being tolerant or sophisticated when they riducule the legitimate fear of deadly Islamofacists by naming it "Islamophobia" - as if by lumping it in with the irrational phobias they would somehow convince us that it's okay to let our heads be sawed off.

252 posted on 09/28/2006 1:13:11 PM PDT by LikeLight
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To: Tommy-the-pissed-off-Brit

"People of Europe: WAKE UP!!!!!!! "

some of us here in the UK have; the impression I have is that us, together with the govt are viewed as either paranoid or racists


253 posted on 09/29/2006 4:12:14 AM PDT by Mac1
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To: Republicain
“What should be noticed about the riots is that they start after sunset. Besides the fact that they start after dark, it also gives the rioters enough time to break their fast and enjoy the traditional family meal. Sunset is around 7:30pm.” Tuesday’s and Monday’s riots began around 8:30pm.

At least they are following proper rioting etiquette.
254 posted on 09/29/2006 4:20:32 AM PDT by ryan71
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To: zek157
I don't see any ambiguity in what the Koran says about either Allah, or non believers.

It is no less ambiguous nor more violent than certain offenting books in the Bible.

255 posted on 09/30/2006 8:18:21 AM PDT by zimdog
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To: little jeremiah
You did indeed equate ancient history as detailed in the OT

I noted similarities. Doing so does not an equation make.

(and tossed in Christian history as well, still not sure what the "25 years ago" thing meant)

I said nothing about Christian history. I said Europeans have been slaughtering in the name of God, which is true. It is a violent continent.

Why do you focus on the WORDS of people on the internet, ignoring the very real actual slaughter and military aggression by Muslims, which has been going on for 1400 years up until the present day? Why don't you criticize that?

I do criticize that. I don't limit my criticisms to that. And in this forum, one more poster chiming in with "religion of peace my ass!!!!" won't add anything to the discussion.

You claim that such behavior is not "real Muslim" or not done by "real Muslims". Then why in their madrassahs and mosques is violent jihad fomented?

They have strayed from the righteous path and are mired in the error of hate.

256 posted on 09/30/2006 8:24:59 AM PDT by zimdog
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To: SunkenCiv
Absent any concrete evidence, there's no reason to expect a Moslem NOT to suddenly kill a bunch of people.

It must be hard for you to watch a baseketball game knowing that Kareem Abdul-Jabbar could AT ANY MOMENT! leap from the pressbox and behead a vendor.

257 posted on 09/30/2006 8:26:57 AM PDT by zimdog
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To: FBD
"It looks as if immigrants youths want to turn nightly rioting during the Islamic holy month of ramadan into an annual tradition."

Ahhhh makes me hum the song from "Fiddler on the Roof", Tradition.
Yup!
Very Holy thing to do, *riot*.

And failure to capitalize "Ramadan", well, all things being equal?

...spells certain disaster. ;^)

258 posted on 09/30/2006 8:29:47 AM PDT by Landru (That does it, no sleep number for you pal.)
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To: Getsmart64; Valin; nuconvert; E Rocc
why does it seem like the more "radical" muslims that are killed, the more muslims become radical??....

Part of it is because Osama wants a war between Islam and the non-Muslim world and his allies in the Nuke Mecca Crowd are most happy to follow his orders and spout innanities that make ordinary Muslims think that the war on terror (such as killing radical terrorists) is a war on Islam (such as Nuking Mecca), despite what our President and all right-thinking people believe.

259 posted on 09/30/2006 8:30:42 AM PDT by zimdog
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To: brownsfan

There's another problem: a neo-fascist movement. If responsible politicians are unwilling to address a non-PC problem, then irresponsible politicians take it on.


260 posted on 09/30/2006 8:31:54 AM PDT by AmishDude
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