Giffords (D) leads Graf (R) in early polling (AZ-08, Giffords up 12)

To: axes_of_weezles

Thank you very much. It's a partisan campaign poll, so usual caveats apply. But that sounds about right as compared to an independent public poll -- a difference of 7 points.

41 posted on 09/25/2006 7:11:08 PM PDT by okstate

Why don't you friggin' support the GOP nominee instead of being a back-biting weasel?

42 posted on 09/25/2006 7:16:06 PM PDT by dirtboy (This tagline has been photoshopped)

From KVOA, if you watch the video, (as I did - I live In Tucson) Giffords went moonbat tonite. They cited the two most important things from the polls (immigration+Iraq). On Immigration she prevaricates quite profusely about Border Security and wants a "Virutal Wall with current, not Vietnam era technology". DHS just let a billion dollar contract with Boeing to do just that, so she is was behind and has no original thought. On Iraq, she is cut and run and tonite harped on resignation of Rumsfeldt.

Graf on the immigration topic talked about deteriorated infrastructure, hospitals, first responders and the hidden costs of criminal justice. He didnt say much about Iraq, other than we should not leave when terrorists say we should leave.

In other news Giffords agreed to 6 debates prior to the election. She will lose the debates, she has no original thoughts, other than harping DNC talking points. The debates will show how far out of the mainstream she really is.

43 posted on 09/25/2006 7:19:14 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles

OK State the "Seminar Democrat" is back again with his bogus DEM talking points. Say hi to your boss Howard Dean.

44 posted on 09/25/2006 7:19:48 PM PDT by Welike ike

There is more to the story. In Tucson the only poll outfits are run by the Democrats. This poll is derived from a Democratic run polling organization that the Arizona Daily Star and KVOA is using. Here is the text of the article.

From KVOA

http://www.kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=5449927

It's set to be one of the most watched races in the November elections and it's rooted right here in Southern Arizona. It's a race guaranteed to capture the eyes of the nation.

News 4 has partnered with the Arizona Daily Star to conduct a tracking poll in which we asked likely voters a number of questions related to the Congressional District 8 race and the candidates.

600 likely voters in Arizona Congressional District 8 took part in a survey, which was conducted from September 16 - 19, 2006 by 1 to 1 Direct and Marketing Intelligence.

The poll has a margin of error of +/- 4%.

Giffords' lead is outside of the margin of error; Graf would have to capture nearly all of the undecided vote to catch up.

Giffords is particularly strong with female voters, leading by a greater than 2-to-1 ratio. Graf leads among males.

Giffords has more effectively held on to her party base and is well ahead among independent voters.

Graf polls relatively better with younger voters, Giffords with older.

Giffords has captured almost all voters who "usually" or "almost always" vote for a Democrat, and is well ahead with those who do not normally support one party over the other. Graf is strong with those who "almost always" vote Republican, but it not completely dominant among those who "usually" vote for a Republican candidate.

Graf does a little better in counties other than Pima County, but Giffords still leads there as well.

The most important issue when deciding who to vote for:

45.8% Border control/immigration
10.7% War in Iraq
8.5%    Candidates' experience
7.4%    Party affiliation/Support for President Bush
7.2%    Healthcare
5.8%    Education

Importance of issues when deciding who to vote for:

                                                    Somewhat Important               Very important
                                                                       or very important
Immigration                                         82.3%                          60.5%
War on Terror                                      82.2%                          59.3%
War in Iraq                                          81.3%                          59.0%
Which party controls Congress            71.3%                          54.2%
National economy                                69.1%                          41.4%
Healthcare                                           67.8%                          44.1%
Gay marriage                                       43.4%                          31.1%

Poll results based on those who said each of the following is important:

Giffords leads among most "groups," including those who feel a candidate's views on immigration are important. The one exception is gay marriage, where each candidate has equal support.

News 4 Team

45 posted on 09/25/2006 7:34:22 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles

To: axes_of_weezles

And pray tell exactly what IS this "Democratic polling organization" you speak of?

46 posted on 09/25/2006 8:09:39 PM PDT by okstate

See the polls in front of your eyes and look at the links.

There are no "R" pollsters in Tucson. They are all "D" and sell info to the candidates.

The same published pollster for KVOA is working for Giffords.

Both of these published polls came from Democrats. One from the Giffords campaign and one from the same organization that works for the Giffords campaign and sells to the AZ Red Star and KVOA.

These are RAT polls with RAT presumptions. They show Cochise and Pinal county as Rat Held territory which is false.

How much more do you want to know?

47 posted on 09/25/2006 8:32:46 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles

To: axes_of_weezles

The Giffords campaign poll was conducted by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner, a Democratic firm.

I see no indication that the KVOA poll was done by the same group.

48 posted on 09/25/2006 8:37:23 PM PDT by okstate

To: Welike ike; okstate

Who the hell are you to call anyone a troll?

okstate posts a lot of polls.

49 posted on 09/25/2006 8:41:30 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)

From what very little I know,

Would have been good to stop right there.

50 posted on 09/25/2006 8:43:09 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)

Kolbe's candidate was defeated in the primary and Kolbe should respect that and support the winner Graf, regardless of the grudge he holds against Graf.

51 posted on 09/25/2006 8:44:42 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)

Bump.
Good post and thanks.

52 posted on 09/25/2006 8:47:01 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)

It's easy to envision a scenario where the national GOP should divert resources from AZ-08 to (for example) any of the three Indiana districts.

Chocola, Sodrel and Hostettler are likely more competitive than Graf right now and all of those IN districts are more strongly pro-Bush (based on election returns).

53 posted on 09/25/2006 9:11:17 PM PDT by okstate

54 posted on 09/25/2006 9:20:59 PM PDT by Admin Moderator

To: axes_of_weezles

55 posted on 09/25/2006 9:40:07 PM PDT by kesg

Why don't you friggin' support the GOP nominee instead of being a back-biting weasel?

Why don't you learn how to avoid asking stupid loaded questions? I support GOPers. I don't support Buchananites. Where does Graf fit?

56 posted on 09/25/2006 9:43:59 PM PDT by kesg

"Chocola, Sodrel and Hostettler are likely more competitive than Graf right now and all of those IN districts are more strongly pro-Bush (based on election returns)."

Do you know their views on the illegal immigration issue?

57 posted on 09/25/2006 10:04:43 PM PDT by BLS (Outside of a dog, a book is mans' best friend. Inside a dog it is too dark to read a book.)

Do you know their views on the illegal immigration issue?

No, I don't, sorry.

58 posted on 09/25/2006 10:13:50 PM PDT by okstate

"No, I don't, sorry."

No problem. Thanks for the quick reply.

59 posted on 09/25/2006 10:20:07 PM PDT by BLS (Outside of a dog, a book is mans' best friend. Inside a dog it is too dark to read a book.)

Not exactly a Republican hotbed:

2004 Presidential Election:
Bush (R) 53%
Kerry (D) 46
Other 1%

60 posted on 09/25/2006 10:30:27 PM PDT by Plutarch

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