Posted on 09/25/2006 9:56:31 AM PDT by presidio9
Edited on 09/25/2006 10:02:37 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Strange doings in Virginia. George Allen, former governor, one-term senator, son of a famous football coach and in the midst of a heated battle for re-election, has just been outed as a Jew. An odd turn of events, given the fact that his having Jewish origins has nothing to do with anything in the campaign and that Allen himself was oblivious to the fact until his 83-year-old mother revealed to him last month the secret she had kept concealed for 60 years.
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Honestly, just a cheap attempt to raise awareness as to the middle east fiasco while providing a solution, as well as throwing my hat into the ring. And a small ring it is, I might add. Sorry if I disturbed any bible study.
> Keep it up and I'll have to put the negative cable on your right ear, the positive on your left and flip the switch on 850 cold cranking amps.
Tough guy. I get it... Riiiiiiight!
> Honestly, just a cheap attempt to raise awareness as to the middle east fiasco while providing a solution, as well as throwing my hat into the ring. And a small ring it is, I might add. Sorry if I disturbed any bible study.
Be Budwiserest-est. This Bud's for you. Sink a few more and you'll feel no more pain.
So what?
Everybody who disagrees with you is "intolerant"? Now who's resorting to ad hominem?
Attack my argument if you must, but not the man.
Well, I was going to do that anyway, but I thought you would be flattered that I thought you might be Mel Gibson. I loved "Braveheart" and "The Patriot."
What is the purpose of tracing the lineage of Joseph if he was not Jesus' real father? Even if Joseph's pedigree is authentic, what does that have to do with Jesus? It's irrelevant and proof of nothing.
Another point you made was that the title "King of the Jews" was attached to the cross. Does this prove he really was "King of the Jews"? It was Romans who put that sign up to mock Jesus, not because they really believed he was "King of the Jews."
You also said:
It seems presumptuous of you, then, to exclude anyone who recognizes Jesus as their Messiah from being Jewish.
It is not presumptuous for Jews to have the final say on who is a Jew and what Judaism is. IT IS PRESUMPTUOUS for someone else to do so. People who worship Jesus are Christians, they do not have the right to decide for Jews what Judaism is or who is Jewish.
perhaps the Jewish leadership of the time should have thought thru the long-term implications of Christ's crucifixion, before they condemned their King by right of lineal descent
I'm sure Rabbi Akive thought about that while the Romans were tearing iff his skin with red hot irons.
Then you must be an Italian Jew..........
some people are aware of it also. They kicked out the Jews and now they have these crazy Moslems who blow up their trains!
I am not flattered by non-Jews who co-opt my religion and then tell me I'm going to hell.
Me too. I heard he was in Vietnam.
John cannot be considered a Jew given his bias and the late date of his writings.
Alouette, thank you for standing up to these ignorant bigots who know nothing - nothing about Judaism.
Well, they kicked out the Moors, too, but then they let them back in.
Anyway, anecdote: Franco was an ally of Hitler and even furned a division on the Russian Front. But he wouldn't let Hitler take Gilbraltar which weas a British base. If he had allowed German troops to cross Spain. that would have shut the Med to the Allies. Turns out that Franco had a Jewish grandmother. Anyway, his ambivalence is whay the allies didn't overthrow Franco after WWII.
THEY owed him.
They were members of the Spanish government who saved hundreds of Hungarian Jews and Greek Jews. However, if you read Spanish literature, after a certain point it is so disgustingly anti-Semitic that you want to retch. I was a Spanish major so I had to endure it.
Anti-Semites are not necessarily killers, and most people kill in hot anger Hitler and his minions acted out of hatred so irrational that it hindered their efforts to defeat the Russians. Trains were commandeered from the Wehrmacht to transport Jews to the death camps when they should have been bringing supplies to outnumbered Axis forces on the Russian Front.
I am very much aware of that. However, Spain's long history of anti-Semitism - which was a total denial of past contribution of Spanish Jewry to its culture - was also terrible. Spain managed to have anti-Semitism without Jews in the 16th century.
Spain had plenty of Jews in the 16th Century. It is just that they were all Christians and trying to hide their ancestery. When Spanish were offered baptism or exile early in the 15th century, many opted for baptism, and according to Kamen, became faithful Christians. It was only after the Turkish threat ramped up and emotions ramped up about Grenada and the moors, that Xenophobia really kicked in. The major culprits were the OLD Christians who were jealous of the Jewish Christians. Not the first time this senario happened. After Christianity became the relgion of the Roman Empire, many Jews converted but were suspected of "judaizing". Somehow the "secret" Jew was worst than the open Jew or something. Or something else. Torquemada, I understand, had Jewish ancestery. Maybe he was demonstrating his "purity."
> John cannot be considered a Jew given his bias and the late date of his writings.
St John was one of the original disciples. Of *course* he was a Jew.
Phew...I know more than a few North Jersey professionals who might have a quibble or two with that...
>> your intolerance, Alouette.
> Everybody who disagrees with you is "intolerant"? Now who's resorting to ad hominem?
So everyone who disagrees with you gets to be called "Mel" and advised that you think they suck?
I find it truly remarkable that somebody like you can require a belief in Judaism as a prerequisite to somebody claiming Jewish heritage. The two concepts can be related but are *not* one-and-the-same.
With one fell swoop you disenfranchise Jewish Athiests, Jewish Agnostics, Jewish Christians, Jewish Rastafarians, Jewish Wiccans...
Add "arrogance" to the "intolerance". I'll also pray for your soul.
> but I thought you would be flattered that I thought you might be Mel Gibson. I loved "Braveheart" and "The Patriot."
Nonsense. You called me "Mel" as a gratuitous, throw-away personal attack. Poor form.
Seems to be the way you debate. Pity.
Then why does he use the words "the Jews" with such venom when he describes the passion? He was writing for a gentile audience.
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