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Carey backs Pope and issues warning on 'violent' Islam
The Times ^ | September 20, 2006 | Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent, and Richard Owen, in Rome

Posted on 09/19/2006 4:22:17 PM PDT by mdittmar

THE former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey of Clifton has issued his own challenge to “violent” Islam in a lecture in which he defends the Pope’s “extraordinarily effective and lucid” speech. Lord Carey said that Muslims must address “with great urgency” their religion’s association with violence. He made it clear that he believed the “clash of civilisations” endangering the world was not between Islamist extremists and the West, but with Islam as a whole.

“We are living in dangerous and potentially cataclysmic times,” he said. “There will be no significant material and economic progress [in Muslim communities] until the Muslim mind is allowed to challenge the status quo of Muslim conventions and even their most cherished shibboleths.”

Lord Carey’s address came as the man who shot and wounded the last Pope wrote to Pope Benedict XVI to warn him that he was in danger. Mehmet Ali Agca, the Turkish gunman who tried to murder John Paul II in 1981 and is now in prison in Turkey, urged the Pope not to visit the country in November.

“I write as one who knows about these matters very well,” Agca said. “Your life is in danger. Don’t come to Turkey — absolutely not!”

Since the Pope quoted a Byzantine emperor as saying that the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad were “evil and inhuman”, a nun has been shot dead, a terrorist group linked to al-Qaeda has vowed to kill the Pope, churches in Palestinian areas have been attacked and security at churches and mosques in London and elsewhere has been stepped up.

This morning the Pope, who has already apologised for the offence caused by his words and distanced himself from the sentiments of the Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologus, will elaborate further on what he intended by last week’s address at Regensburg University in Germany.

At his weekly audience at the Vatican the Pope is expected to emphasise the dangers of violence and fundamentalism in all religions, not just Islam, and reiterate his call for a dialogue of faiths based on “mutual respect”. The pontiff will explain why he has been “misunderstood”, Vatican sources said.

Lord Carey, who as Archbishop of Canterbury became a pioneer in Christian-Muslim dialogue, himself quoted a contemporary political scientist, Samuel Huntington, who has said the world is witnessing a “clash of civilisations”.

Arguing that Huntington’s thesis has some “validity”, Lord Carey quoted him as saying: “Islam’s borders are bloody and so are its innards. The fundamental problem for the West is not Islamic fundamentalism. It is Islam, a different civilisation whose people are convinced of the superiority of their culture and are obsessed with the inferiority of their power.”

Lord Carey went on to argue that a “deep-seated Westophobia” has developed in recent years in the Muslim world.

Lord Carey was delivering a lecture titled The Cross and the Crescent: The Clash of Faiths in an Age of Secularism, at Newbold College, Berkshire.

Lord Carey, who has continued to work in interfaith collaboration since his retirement in 2002, said that the relationship between Islamic countries and the West was “the most dangerous, most important and potentially cataclysmic issue of our day.” He described the two civilisations as “polarised and uncomprehending” and said that the Danish cartoons controversy last March showed “two world views colliding in public space with no common point of reference”.

He said the West had been largely responsible for “redrawing the map of the Middle East” and it was the “moral relativism of the West” that has outraged Muslim society. Most Muslims believe firmly that the invasion of Iraq is 2004 was solely about oil, he said.

He went on to defend the Pope’s fundamental thesis, that reason and religious faith can be compatible. “The actual essay is an extraordinarily effective and lucid thesis exploring the weakness of secularism and the way that faith and reason go hand in hand,” he said.

He said he agreed with his Muslim friends who claimed that true Islam is not a violent religion, but he wanted to know why Islam today had become associated with violence. “The Muslim world must address this matter with great urgency,” he said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: benedictxvi; islamevilempire; pope
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1 posted on 09/19/2006 4:22:18 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar

And Carey is a liberal!


2 posted on 09/19/2006 4:24:14 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: mdittmar

I hope he doesn't lose his head.


3 posted on 09/19/2006 4:25:01 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: mdittmar

This is good news,IMO.It certainly won't wake up many members of the ROP but it just might help wake up Americans and Europeans who think that this is Bush's...or the US's fault.


4 posted on 09/19/2006 4:25:34 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("An empty limousine pulled up and Hillary Clinton got out")
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To: mdittmar

I'm stunned! Lord Carey has actually grown a pair.


5 posted on 09/19/2006 4:27:15 PM PDT by WashingtonSource (Freedom is not free.)
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To: mdittmar
Muslims must address “with great urgency” their religion’s association with violence

Conversion and baptism can occur "with great urgency"

It is their only hope.

6 posted on 09/19/2006 4:29:20 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Choose life!)
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To: mdittmar

Good!!!

It's one thing for Muslim's to take offense at the Pope's comments. But when they react violently, they simply prove the Pope's comments true.


7 posted on 09/19/2006 4:35:35 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: mdittmar

This guy's got Ba##s for a liberal Anglican.


8 posted on 09/19/2006 4:39:38 PM PDT by BW2221
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To: sionnsar; BelegStrongbow

Ping.


9 posted on 09/19/2006 4:40:38 PM PDT by Alia
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To: mdittmar
Only the last sentence of the article matters.

But the first sums up the Archbishops words "prettily". He's playing at liberal politics.THE former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey of Clifton has issued his own challenge to “violent” Islam in a lecture in which he defends the Pope’s “extraordinarily effective and lucid” speech

"Extraordinarily effective"? The Pope wasn't playing pink politics as the Church of England HAS BEEN DOING. Good sense prevents me from taking his article, line by line, apart -- and baring it for all to see exactly how the Archbishop's words add up. The Archbishop, in his own words, is coming across much like Gallager, traitor of England.

10 posted on 09/19/2006 4:45:54 PM PDT by Alia
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"...It is Islam, a different civilisation whose people are convinced of the superiority of their culture and are obsessed with the inferiority of their power.”

Could also be talking about Marxist.

11 posted on 09/19/2006 4:49:49 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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Uh oh, the crazies won't know who to kill first, the Pope or this fellow.


12 posted on 09/19/2006 4:53:53 PM PDT by hardworking (Please read "The Clash of Civilizations" by Samuel Huntington - well worth it.)
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To: mdittmar

THE former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey of Clifton has issued his own challenge to “violent” Islam in a lecture in which he defends the Pope’s “extraordinarily effective and lucid” speech. Lord Carey said that Muslims must address “with great urgency” their religion’s association with violence.

Uhhh ohhh!! Now he's done it!! This friday = Even More Muslim outrage!!!


13 posted on 09/19/2006 4:56:59 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: mdittmar

All people of courage and conviction and believers that the truth doesn't change, speak up now!


14 posted on 09/19/2006 4:57:53 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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To: Alia
Good sense prevents me from taking his article,line by line,apart

Go ahead,i'm interested.

15 posted on 09/19/2006 5:01:37 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served, to keep us free.)
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Islam’s borders are bloody and so are its innards...

Quotes like these will will win him friends with the mullahs

16 posted on 09/19/2006 5:02:27 PM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: mdittmar

CLEVELAND ROCKS!


Oh wait, wrong Carey....sorry!


17 posted on 09/19/2006 5:03:23 PM PDT by RabidBartender (an ex-fan of the Dixie Chicks)
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To: mdittmar
The MSM will not be interviewing him. Not only are his attempts at mouthing his pretensions at understanding the Pope, obvious, so is his ploy in attempting to steal some light and attention from the Pope, and pretending to be more "educated" and "worthy" than the Pope. The Church of England has long since made it clear they are NOT interested in respect of or for religions; but rather a secularized religion which has zero compatibility with most major religions of the world. The Church of England has made it clear, they will force "conversions" of its members to the "new age dogma" of which most the world is rebelling against. This new religion is disrespectful and no preserver of life nor civility.

Perhaps, instead, the Archbishop was "calculatedly" putting forward his hand to meet with those we are defending ourselves against, and work out a deal.

18 posted on 09/19/2006 5:14:37 PM PDT by Alia
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Amendment: "Perhaps, instead, the [FORMER] Archbishop was "calculatedly" putting forward his hand to meet with those we are defending ourselves against, and work out a deal."

It was he who allowed and permitted this grave injustice to the Church of England.

19 posted on 09/19/2006 5:19:17 PM PDT by Alia
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To: mdittmar
“We are living in dangerous and potentially cataclysmic times,” he said. “There will be no significant material and economic progress [in Muslim communities] until the Muslim mind is allowed to challenge the status quo of Muslim conventions and even their most cherished shibboleths.”

This silly Infidel thinks this is about worldly gains. If you want to make a better life in this world: turn your back on Allah. Not going to happen, - Tom

20 posted on 09/19/2006 5:19:37 PM PDT by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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