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"Once a Progressive State," now the knuckle draggers are in control. Good Lord, those panties are in a wad.
1 posted on 09/04/2006 11:19:04 PM PDT by neverdem
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So that no one misses the point, the Legislature has also turned Minnesota into what is called a “shall require” state. If you apply for a concealed-weapon permit, the local authorities must grant it to you.

The term is "shall-issue." The reporter is an ignoramus.

2 posted on 09/04/2006 11:20:52 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: neverdem

If it was a requirement to have a gun with you at all times, then crime could be reduced (if applied only to stable noncriminals).


3 posted on 09/04/2006 11:22:37 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
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Once a Progressive State, Minnesota Is Now a Fief of the N.R.A.

And the halls echo with the laughter of my black conservative heart. MAWAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

4 posted on 09/04/2006 11:22:44 PM PDT by CzarNicky (Gentlemen, Dethklok has summoned a troll.)
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That "lady" is a raving lunatic. Shall issue CCW laws have proven effective time and time again, in state after state. There have been no exceptions.

She really needs some mental help, I mean spending all that time worrying about who might be carrying a gun?

I have news for this "lady". Criminals carry guns no matter what the law says.

5 posted on 09/04/2006 11:24:31 PM PDT by ghostmonkey
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A person carrying a concealed weapon cannot be banned from a public building, even if it’s a library full of kids




These fools never learn. No law matters to the guy who would take a gun into a library and shoot kids. If he tried that, however, maybe it would be a good idea for the librarian to be armed so he/she could shoot the SOB before he shot kids.


6 posted on 09/04/2006 11:24:54 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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Slowly the logical conclusion sank in. If firearms are banned on these premises, then they must not be banned in other places.

Proof that a common criminals is quicker to grasp reality than this reporter.

7 posted on 09/04/2006 11:25:21 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Angelides v. Schwarzenegger is like deciding between ebola and cancer, respectively.)
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Another liberal elitist who looks down on the blue collar riff raff and says they're too stupid to handle a gun properly. "They don't have the training of police officers." Yeah and he unloads on Minnesota's CCW law and its pending self-defense law with the mendacious claim he's a hunter and gun owner - in the same sense as John Kerry. When the New York Times starts printing screeds to the effect that Minnesota is turning a deep hue of Southern Red... you know liberals have really lost it. Its that madness sinking in.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo! )

8 posted on 09/04/2006 11:25:25 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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Oh my god! People are exercising their rights! How offensive!

(/sarcasm)


12 posted on 09/04/2006 11:34:06 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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But did she come out alive? She forgot to tell us. Sounds lke she was in pretty bad condition going in.


15 posted on 09/04/2006 11:36:35 PM PDT by Waco
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'requiring every citizen to carry a gun'
----

What an idiot to think that is a goal of anyone.


16 posted on 09/04/2006 11:37:03 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Amnesty_From_Government.htm)
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Verlynn...you may be a dumb-ass if...

"I asked one of the state coalitions opposed to these laws whether it would attack them in the Legislature this year. The answer was no. It is too busy trying to defeat a “shoot first” bill, which would give gun owners the right to fire away instead of trying to avoid a confrontation. The way I see it, Minnesota is only one step away from requiring every citizen to carry a gun and use it when provoked."

17 posted on 09/04/2006 11:37:33 PM PDT by Khurkris (When the levee breaks there'll be no place to hide.)
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Slowly the logical conclusion sank in. If firearms are banned on these premises, then they must not be banned in other places.

This guy is working slower than a crackhead with a jonesing.

So that no one misses the point, the Legislature has also turned Minnesota into what is called a “shall require” state.

The author AND his editors are ignoramuses.

The way I see it, Minnesota is only one step away from requiring every citizen to carry a gun and use it when provoked.

This man's mental confusion, as evidenced by his following thought "The criminals know they’re not supposed to have them but find them easy to get" is the definition of cultural victimhood.

A person carrying a concealed weapon cannot be banned from a public building, even if it’s a library full of kids.

Accepting the fact that criminials can get their hands on guns, including nutjobs intent on Dunblane style massacres in libraries full of kids and bunnywabbits, he doesn't believe the parents of the kids should be able to shoot the nutjob befoer the kids are the victims and the parents mourners.

Yet it isn’t possible for a member of the public to find out who has received a permit and may, in fact, be packing heat.

This "man" accepts the fact that criminals will know where to find guns illegally, goes on to blame the NRA for criminals acquiring guns, then demands the necessary solution is an internet searchable database of every CCW gun in the state. Maybe he believes "members of the public" and "criminals" are mutually exclusive classifications?

But Minnesota? I grew up thinking of Minnesota as a socially progressive state. After all, it was home of the D.F.L. — the Democratic Farmer Labor Party — and a place where local control and common sense had strong roots.

1. this man equates socially progressive political parties as centralized bureaucracies that keep the citizenry defenseless, and calls this local control. His common sense, as he explicitly states, is a stripping of the individual the right to self defense in the name of the common good. "A nation is formed by the willingness of each of us to share in the responsibility for upholding the common good." Congresswoman Barbara Jordan

Every concealed weapon, with very few exceptions, is a blow against the public safety. The new gun laws in Minnesota take away local discretion over concealed-weapon permits, and they cost the local authorities plenty too.

Mr. Lott has proven this oft repeated notion false. John Lott doesn't have a column in the NYTimes, so he actually doesn't exist.

The last three paragraphs are some wild eyed speculation. It's a really sad piece, the "shall require" mistake sets the tone, the ignorant preaching to the dwindling number of adherents to the victimhood cult of the "socially progressive" state.

29 posted on 09/05/2006 12:02:22 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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Conceal carry with "must issue." That sounds like PROGRESS to me. Progressive? Sure.


30 posted on 09/05/2006 12:04:05 AM PDT by Free Baptist
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VERLYN KLINKENBORG
 

The face of generic, uninformed liberal hysteria.

33 posted on 09/05/2006 12:07:09 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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I am smiling right now just thinking of how upset Garrison Keillor must be about this. Bwahahahaha!


40 posted on 09/05/2006 12:16:57 AM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Angelides vs. Schwarzenegger = Hillary vs. Gore)
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Let me see, if I were a armed robber which business would I set my sights on? The one with a sign stating "Firearms banned on these premises" or the one without a sign? Hmmmm.


45 posted on 09/05/2006 12:53:49 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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-b-


46 posted on 09/05/2006 1:01:19 AM PDT by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: neverdem
If you apply for a concealed-weapon permit, the local authorities must grant it to you.

Oh jeeze. If only we all lived in states where the government needs no reason to withold your freedoms. What bliss that would be!

49 posted on 09/05/2006 1:13:42 AM PDT by rogue yam
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even if it’s a library full of kids.

It didn't take the author of the article long to get to the "it's for the children" arguement.

Perhaps there should be a corollary to Godwin's Law stating that a premise becomes invalid when "it's for the children" is invoked.

53 posted on 09/05/2006 2:02:47 AM PDT by glorgau
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Clearly the author believes the state of Minnesota should be a fiefdom of the American Liberal Establishment, like every place else on the national map, and governed according to the collectivist diktats of the self-styled "elite."

Just as clearly, he has never heard of the Second Amendment, and believs that constitutional freedoms should only be allowed us proles to the extent they suit the whims of our "educated betters" - the country's rightful commissars.


54 posted on 09/05/2006 2:33:28 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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