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Once a Progressive State, Minnesota Is Now a Fief of the N.R.A.
The New York Times ^ | September 5, 2006 | VERLYN KLINKENBORG

Posted on 09/04/2006 11:19:03 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: neverdem
Click here and scroll a bit for Mr. Klinkenborg's CV. Explains a lot.
61 posted on 09/05/2006 3:50:58 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Stoat

Your first picture is more accurate. Hence my "lady" comment.


62 posted on 09/05/2006 4:13:02 AM PDT by ghostmonkey
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To: neverdem

Being prepared to defend one's life and other lives is not "progressive". Check.


63 posted on 09/05/2006 4:15:46 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Jabba the Hutt's bigger, meaner, uglier brother.)
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To: neverdem

bump


64 posted on 09/05/2006 4:51:24 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Drill ANWR, Personal Accounts NOW.)
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To: neverdem

Four Million NRA members doing what Seventy four million gun owners are too lazy to do.


65 posted on 09/05/2006 5:07:06 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: neverdem
From the article:

The notion that 38 states would have “concealed carry” laws in 2006 would have seemed insane, a regression to a more primitive idea of who we are.

More like 48. Wisconsin and Illinois are the only holdouts.

66 posted on 09/05/2006 5:13:27 AM PDT by P8riot ("You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone." - Al Capone)
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To: Shooter 2.5

yep- but something big happened in Minnesota -1997-98

They passed a right to hunt law *- because the peta
gang was going to try and ban/restrict hunting and
fishing.

I think this helped carry the day to do the right to
carry law-

The author can go back to the lib press in minnesota
and find all kinds of doom scenarios- NONE have come
close to happening- AND the crime rate has fallen.

*( actually changed the Constitution of Minnesota so it
would be harder for the libs to repeal)


67 posted on 09/05/2006 5:46:02 AM PDT by mj1234
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To: neverdem
Great post; nice to know what the Moonbats think. Herewith a dissection of some of its more notable points:

Every concealed weapon, with very few exceptions, is a blow against the public safety.

If this is so, then why has violent crime dropped disproportionately in every state where shall issue has been adopted?? Also, if this piece of balderdash is true, where are the (nonexistent) peer reviewed studies that refute John Locke's excellent book, More Guns, Less Crime.

By focusing so obsessively on an individual’s rights — in this case, the purported individual right to bear arms in the library — all other rights are shoved aside.

What other rights aren't even mentioned. It's the gun grabbers, not the NRA, that have done a really great job of destroying our other rights, like free speech with the McCain/Finegold abomination and private property rights with the USSC Kelo monstrosity. If we just talk about carrying guns in public places, like libraries, the right of everyone else to be personally secure and protected from mass terrorist shootings is greatly enhanced. Once again look at John Locke's work on mass public shootings that shows shall issue spectacularly reduces them, something this nitwit doesn't even bother to address.

He also contradicts himself later in the article where he writes: Guns make a perfect test case, because the end result is an armed cohort that is very prickly about its personal rights.

What’s worse, by granting this right to individuals, the law strips the public of its right to occupy public spaces without the threat of being shot. The police are trained to handle guns. The criminals know they’re not supposed to have them but find them easy to get, thanks to the N.R.A.

This law and the "castle doctrine" actually enhance the public's right "to occupy public spaces without the threat of being shot." The massive drop in violent crime of all types and, especially, mass public shootings that accompanies adoption of shall issue and the "castle doctrine" prove this. Again, nitwit here fails even to address the studies that conclusively show the tremendous public safety benefits of shall issue and the "castle doctrine." Also the NRA has been a leader in making sure criminals don't get guns and, even more important, in assuring stiff sentencing for people who commit violent crimes with guns. Methinks nitwit here is horrified by heavy sentencing of criminals and, especially (HORRORS!!) the death penalty.

Sometimes I think the N.R.A. isn’t really about guns at all. It’s about making certain that the public — our political and civil society, in other words — has no ability to limit the rights of an individual.

Finally we get to the nub of the liberal and Marxist objection to the NRA: the NRA is one of our greatest advocates of America and our unique rights and freedoms as Americans, something the left absolutely abominates and despises.

Guns make a perfect test case, because the end result is an armed cohort that is very prickly about its personal rights.

He's right on with this remark; that's why I'm a proud Endowing Member of the NRA, an NRA Golden Eagle, and why I'm going to contribute $200 to the NRA PVF this election season.

68 posted on 09/05/2006 6:07:24 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: neverdem
Verlyn Klinkenborg was born in Colorado in 1952 and raised in Iowa and California. He graduated from Pomona College and received a Ph.D. in English Literature from Princeton University. Mr. Klinkenborg joined the editorial board in 1997. He is the author of "Making Hay" (1986), "The Last Fine Time" (1991) and "The Rural Life" (2003). His work has appeared in many magazines, including The New Yorker, Harper's, Esquire, National Geographic, The New Republic, Smithsonian, Audubon, GQ, Gourmet, Martha Stewart Living, Sports Afield and The New York Times Magazine. He has taught literature and creative writing at Fordham University, St. Olaf College, Bennington College and Harvard University and is a recipient of the 1991 Lila Wallace-Reader's Digest Writer's Award and a National Endowment for the Arts Fellowship. He lives in rural New York.

The foregoing quote is from your link. Not only is nitwit's column dead wrong, but with his academic background, it's blatantly dishonest and unprofessional, since he doesn't cite any peer reviewed academic studies to support his position and doesn't even mention John Locke's work.

69 posted on 09/05/2006 6:17:14 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: neverdem
What do you have against training and arming the kids? (grin)

They do it all the time in the MidEast... (grim)

They don't seem to employ much marksmanship skills, if any. Thank God!

It's pretty hard for a subhuman not to hit himslef when he's wearing a 360 degre bomb vest.

70 posted on 09/05/2006 6:25:38 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: neverdem

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Why would anybody ever need to carry a gun in Minnesota?


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1028540/posts

If only Dru had been armed and alert.


71 posted on 09/05/2006 6:25:42 AM PDT by proudpapa (of three.)
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To: libstripper; All

My apologies to John Lott and the rest of you; the early morning fuzzies got to me when I called him "John Locke."


72 posted on 09/05/2006 6:30:13 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: ghostmonkey

That "lady" is a raving lunatic... She really needs some mental help...


Indeed. Do Gun Prohibitionists Have a Mental Problem?

73 posted on 09/05/2006 6:40:22 AM PDT by EdReform (Protect our 2nd Amendment Rights - Join the NRA today - www.nra.org)
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To: neverdem
It appears that Minnesota's violent crime rate is declining after reaching its peak in the in the mid 90s. Could there be a cause and effect relationship between the implementation of conceal and carry laws?

2003 SAFEST STATE

74 posted on 09/05/2006 6:52:24 AM PDT by kabar
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To: neverdem

What the helz a verlyn klinkenborg?


75 posted on 09/05/2006 6:58:50 AM PDT by printhead
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To: neverdem

.....Once a Progressive State......

"Progressive" is euphamistic for "liberal verging on communist state"


76 posted on 09/05/2006 7:04:43 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. We will screw you inshallah)
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To: neverdem
This woman author is completely hysterical...

Oh, wait, she is a "he"!

77 posted on 09/05/2006 7:48:16 AM PDT by Gritty (The difference between women’s rights and women’s illusions is a Smith and Wesson-Fjordman)
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To: neverdem

As a life member of the NRA I can only smile.


78 posted on 09/05/2006 7:50:25 AM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
Wow...do you have a link for that, please?

The announcement came as a monthly club flyer in the postal mail. I don't know if the club has a website. It is the Gate City Sport Shooting Association. Mailing address is PO Box 4862 Pocatello, ID 83205. Memberships are sold at local gun shops in Pocatello. $38/year. Open 365 days a year. Facilities not scheduled for an activity are available for use by the members. Non-member fee is $3.00 per day.

79 posted on 09/05/2006 9:12:37 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: neverdem
"Minnesota is only one step away from requiring every citizen to carry a gun and use it when provoked."

If they pass that, I might move back to Minnesota.

80 posted on 09/05/2006 10:27:50 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Owning a hybrid is a badge of honor, telling the world you failed thermodynamics.)
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