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I'm not sure what to make of this. I think it's the English way of saying "Thanks you." Maybe that's the way the world looks at us generally. They think we're zealous nuts and they'll publicly revile us. But get 'em all alone and the truth comes out: "You're nuts alright, but you're nuts with guts. And for that: Thank God!"
1 posted on 09/03/2006 8:11:55 PM PDT by Rawlings
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It's a very complimentary article, and a recognition of the influence of puritanism on the US still today. In the end, the pioneers wanted individualist decentralized government and religion. A farmer in Kentucky wanted to vote, interpret the Bible and live as he saw fit - hence we have democracy and fundamentalism.


2 posted on 09/03/2006 8:18:18 PM PDT by stinkerpot65
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The Puritans had many virtues, but they also had many, many flaws.


3 posted on 09/03/2006 8:22:10 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: rmlew; Clemenza; firebrand

ping


4 posted on 09/03/2006 8:37:14 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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Remember how Freud applied Greek mythology to individual psychoanalysis? This essay is an instance of applying religious history to national psychoanalysis. Complete BS.


5 posted on 09/03/2006 8:41:56 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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The church of England is cracking up over homosexuality.

The whole business is deeply shameful and shaming to any brit worth half his tartan.

The puritans are the part of cromwell's england lived on-- but not in England. England's theology became naught but pomp and circumstance. Now both are gone and all that's left when a brit runs up the flag is a queer flapping in the breeze.


6 posted on 09/03/2006 8:45:30 PM PDT by ckilmer
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The author does not have it exactly right: the Puritans were not particularly repressed about heterosexual sex within marriage – in fact, they explicitly (in both senses) acknowledged it's value not only for reproduction but for the creation and maintenance of martial harmony more openly than most over immigrant groups, thus the customs of “bundling boards”, “courting trumpets”, and the like.

They were however deeply opposed to adultery as destructive of “community”.

(See for example David Hackett Fischer's “Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways in America ” for a description of Putitan courtship, sexuality, and married life.)

7 posted on 09/03/2006 8:49:47 PM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas (More of the same, only with more zeros at the end.)
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This article is just a long winded way of saying....absolutely nothing.


8 posted on 09/03/2006 8:50:38 PM PDT by spinestein (Look! It's a ELEPHANT!)
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A less Puritan America wouldn't even be superpower America-the Revolution would never have occurred and we'd either still be a British colony or some kind of lame southern Canada.
9 posted on 09/03/2006 8:51:46 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To attribute all Protestantism in the modern United States to New England Puritans is not just simplistic, it's incorrect. Every ancestor I have, other than the few native Cherokee and Creek, were Protestant; the latest arrival was 1738, the earliest predated the arrival of the Mayflower by over a decade, and none of them came to New England. They came to Virginia and Maryland. From my perspective, there is a fairly deep anti-individualistic streak in the New England variety of Protestantism, and that is the legacy of Puritanism in the New England of today. The Scots-Irish and Virginia Anglicans had far more influence upon the development and psyche of this nation, as a whole.


10 posted on 09/03/2006 8:53:30 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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I generally feel all the world's people do not quite understand people from other countries. That goes for Americans as well. I'm sure thanks to the assiduous labeling by our wacko libs abroad with help from vicious anti-American wacko foreign libs, many non-Americans thing of Republicans and conservatives as being all ultra-religious and gung-ho about war and conquering countries. It's a stupid assumption, but it's one that's stuck. But whatever foreigners think about us, we have to do what is in our best interests. It is always amusing to read accounts by foreign observers who attempt to analyze America and Americans.


14 posted on 09/04/2006 3:11:04 AM PDT by driftless2
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"There would be fewer people in jail, and no executions. There might also be fewer Republican presidents and Bible literalists, and because a non-Puritan America would be less mesmerised by sex and introspection, less pornography and fewer psychiatrists’ couches."

You've got to be kidding.

Your viewpoint is malignantly skewed.


15 posted on 09/04/2006 5:27:10 AM PDT by RoadTest (- - - for without victory there is no survival. -Winston Churchill)
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Now absolute sexual freedoms are demanded in the same self-righteous spirit as the Puritans insisted on absolute repression, and the determination to dispense with the inhibitions of the past has begun to assume the earnestness and intolerance characteristic of the Puritan originators of their problems.

One of the few good points in the article. Alas, the choice isn't between non-Puritanism and Puritanism, but between Puritanism and secularized anti-Puritanism, far more self-righteous and far less salutary.

The unique association between Puritans and capitalism isn't much believed among scholars of the topics, though it persists in pop-culture.

16 posted on 09/04/2006 9:42:20 PM PDT by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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I'm not sure what to make of it, either. What is it about Europeans and their fascination with the idea of sex being the sole driver of culture and politics?

I wonder if Europeans get horny when they go fishing, when they peel potatoes, and when they do calculus problems. They seem to think sex explains everything, and is guiding everything.

20 posted on 09/07/2006 2:38:18 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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