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We should nuke Iran
Toronto Sun (Canada) ^ | Saturday, September 2, 2006 | MICHAEL COREN

Posted on 09/02/2006 8:31:20 AM PDT by GMMAC

We should nuke Iran

Toronto Sun
Saturday, September 2, 2006

By MICHAEL COREN


It is surely obvious now to anybody with even a basic understanding of history, politics and the nature of fascism that something revolutionary has to be done within months -- if not weeks -- if we are to preserve world peace.

Put boldly and simply, we have to drop a nuclear bomb on Iran.

Not, of course, the unleashing of full-scale thermo-nuclear war on the Persian people, but a limited and tactical use of nuclear weapons to destroy Iran's military facilities and its potential nuclear arsenal. It is, sadly, the only response that this repugnant and acutely dangerous political entity will understand.

The tragedy is that innocent people will die. But not many. Iran's missiles and rockets of mass destruction are guarded and maintained by men with the highest of security clearance and thus supportive of the Tehran regime. They are dedicated to war and, thus, will die in war.

Frankly, it would be churlish of the civilized world to deny martyrdom to those who seem so intent on its pursuance. Most important, a limited nuclear attack on Iran will save thousands if not millions of lives.

The spasm of reaction from many will be that this is barbaric and unacceptable. Yet a better response would be to ask if there is any sensible alternative.

Diplomacy, kindness and compromise have failed and the Iranian leadership is still obsessed with all-out war against anybody it considers an enemy.

Its motives are beyond question, its capability equally so. It is spending billions of dollars on a whole range of anti-ship, anti-aircraft and anti-personnel missiles, rockets and ballistic weapons:

The Shahab 3ER missile, with a range of more than 2,000 km, and the BM25 and accompanying launchers, which are so powerful that they can hit targets in Europe. Raad missiles with a range of 350km. The Misaq anti-aircraft missile, which can be fired from the shoulder. The Fajar 3 radar-evading missile and the Ajdar underwater missile, which travels at an extraordinarily high speed and is almost impossible to intercept. The Zaltal and the Fatah 110 rocket, the Scud B and Scud C and the BM25 with a range of 3,500 kms.

Iran is also developing enormous propellant ballistic missiles and began a space program almost a decade ago that will enable it to bomb the United States. It is also assumed in intelligence circles that Tehran has Russian Kh55 cruise missiles stolen from Ukraine which are now being copied in large numbers by Iranian scientists.

Comparisons to the Nazis in the 1930s are unfair -- to the Nazis. Hitler had the French army, the largest in Europe, on his border and millions of Soviet infantry just a few hours march away. Iran has no aggressive enemies in the region.

Its fanatical leader, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, controls a brutal police state, finances international terror and provokes bloody wars in foreign countries. It is unimaginably wealthy because of its oil revenues and is committed, in its leader's words, to "rolling back 300 years of Western ascendancy" and wiping another nation, Israel, from the face of the earth.

A conventional attack would be insufficient because Iran and its allies seem only to listen to power and threat. Better limited pain now than universal suffering in five years.

The usual suspects will complain. The post-Christian churches, the Marxists, the fellow travelers and fifth columnists. But then, the same sort of people moaned and condemned in 1938. They were clearly wrong then.

They would be just as wrong now.


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Philosophy; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ahmadinejad; iran; irannukes; islamofascism; israel; nazis; nuclearbomb; nuclearoption; terrorism; wot
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To: rodeocowboy
Carter had a very valid reason to attack Iran. The other presidents did not, once the hostages were released.

Carter actually thought the Islamic revolution would be good for Iran. In his puniest of peanut brains, he never figured out why the dog he released from the pound turned around and bit him.

He still doesn't get it.
41 posted on 09/02/2006 9:11:44 AM PDT by BigBobber
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To: GMMAC

http://www.mojoflix.com/Embed/Lets-Bomb-Iran-1/


42 posted on 09/02/2006 9:13:43 AM PDT by badpacifist (Stop the suffrage of uninformed voters)
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To: caddie
Why the finnickiness? Nukes are a threshold, largely psychological, that we don't want to ANYONE to cross. Dresden showed how conventional ordnance can accomplish the same thing.

This is precisely why nukes should be used. We have yet to demonstrate that we really are serious about the issue of jihad, and it will never cease getting worse until we do.

No need to use the huge 50 megaton variety, but tactical ones on all military and government sites that are hardened, or too large to be dealt with by conventional weapons.

Think of the salutory effect it would instantly have on Syria's behavior, and we could also then credibly demand Pakistan give up their nukes before Musharraf gets deposed by a jihadi fanatic.

43 posted on 09/02/2006 9:15:01 AM PDT by cooldog (Islam is a criminal conspiracy to commit mass murder ... deal with it!)
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To: Capt. Tom

You can put Canada in the"abandoned" column. In the 1950s we had American-produced nukes on the Bomarc surface-to-air missiles but they were returned to the USA. We do have the capability to produce a nuke in fairly short order but all of our technology is currently used for civilian production of electricity and medical radioisotopes (that's the official story, anyway).

Topic drift- IIRC Canada is the world's no. 1 producer of radioisotopes.


44 posted on 09/02/2006 9:26:41 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Pluto's been marginalized! Call the ACLU!)
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To: GarySpFc
I thought we should nuke them until recently. One of my buddies helps design the Tomahawks, and he says we can easily take out Iran's nuclear capability with the latest Tomahawks.

That may well be true however only utilizing Tomahawks to take out Iran's nuke program will only buy a little time, they will immediately begin to reconstruct, and in the interim we can expect any and every sort of Iranian-terrorist response worldwide.

Unfortunately, the nuke option is the ONLY option with Iran, because that rogue state is led by a pack of maniacs who desperately need an international b!tch-slapping and the humiliation that follows. They think they're so invincible that their sh*t doesn't stink.

They (and specifically that little runt Ahmadjihad) need to be utterly humiliated and their collective, figurative faces slammed into the dirt until they scream not "allah akbar" but "UNCLE!" (as in SAM!)

It is LONG overdue.
45 posted on 09/02/2006 9:38:29 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: GMMAC

If I was going to use nuclear weapons regarding Iran, I think I would hit North Korea simultaneously. There are political and tactical reasons for this:

1. On the political side, you get just as much PR blowback from one bomb on one day than if you use 30 that day. It's the Michael Corleone approach--do 'em all at once.

2. North Korea is the principal contractor for Iran's program. You wake up a year after nuking Iran only to find the same threat gathering elsewhere in the Muslim world, backed by North Korea.

I don't agree with the Toronto Sun writer that only a nuke will do in Iran. I think the facilities can be made functionally useless no matter how difficult they are to directly bomb if you take out the supporting infrastructure around them with conventional (if extremely high powered) weapons. If you eliminate access and egress, logisitics, you eliminate the facility itself. Kind of a "no-fly zone" approach. I'm not sure the Sun writer understands all the options available or contingencies in play (or, that any of us does). His heart is in the right place, though.


46 posted on 09/02/2006 9:39:41 AM PDT by CZB
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To: GMMAC
We should nuke Iran

We should nuke Canada too.

Maple-syrup lovin' hosehat wearin' beer swillin' moose-maters, all.

47 posted on 09/02/2006 9:39:50 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is a perversion of faith, a lie against human spirit, an obscenity shouted in the face of G_d)
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To: GMMAC
Put boldly and simply, we have to drop a nuclear bomb on Iran. Since this article is from the Toronto Sun (Canada), I'm assuming the author is suggesting that Canada drop a nuclear bomb on Iran.

Does Canada have a nuke?

As for his remarks on killing innocent civilians, he and a lot of people should understand what the Allies did to Germany in WWII.

http://www.rense.com/general19/flame.htm

And Tokyo

http://www.wjla.com/headlines/0305/212573.html

48 posted on 09/02/2006 9:42:18 AM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: Liberty Valance
Nukes should be an absolute last tactical option.

No civilised nation will light a nuke fuse first. No Western nation wants to win a war any longer. Just the same old pin pricks. Truman had it right. IMOHO

49 posted on 09/02/2006 9:45:11 AM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: GMMAC

I'm with you. Do it NOW!


50 posted on 09/02/2006 10:19:01 AM PDT by RichardW
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To: SuziQ
No, we shouldn't. If we were inclined to kill some Iranians, we need to go after Mr. Iwannajihad and his cohorts. Most other Iranians are not complicit in his plans and machinations, so why punish them for the actions of their leaders?

I agree with the approach (assassinate the leaders) but not your reasoning.

The Arabs respect applied (not threatened) power, follow their leaders and have cowards as leaders. If you quickly remove the leadership it:

In my opinion this is the path we should have taken in Iraq.

51 posted on 09/02/2006 10:28:56 AM PDT by etlib (No creature without tentacles has ever developed true intelligence)
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To: GMMAC
Like many on this thread, I am reluctant to have the U.S. use nukes on anyone, even Iran. As effective as they are, they are horrible weapons even when justifiably responding in kind.

That said, we're at the point now, and may be for a little while longer, where we can still stop the leadership of Iran from detonating such a horrible weapon on our shores, or those of our allies. I believe it is extremely likely that, given the chance, Iran would detonate a nuclear device in a heavily populated city, resulting in catastrophic damage, after which, someone in the Western nuclear club would have to respond at least in kind, and likely with an even worse response.

So, we can wait, lose at least one Western city, potentially another Iranian city (or two) with millions of innocents killed, economies damaged, large areas uninhabitable, radioactive fallout spread over the lands of friend and foe alike, etc. etc., and then we still have to either take out their leadership, or castrate them of the ability to produce and deliver more or the carnage will continue.

Or, we can take out the leadership now and/or remove their ability to develop these weapons, and prevent the millions of innocents on both sides who will be killed, the destruction of cities, etc. etc.

Decisions like these are the gravest, and certainly shouldn't be made lightly or without deliberation. However, at some point, choices have to be made, and that's why we elect leaders and voluntarily give them the power and means to act on our behalf.

Doing nothing (or engaging in something which is bound to be futile) is also making a decision, and the potential ramifications, at least IMHO, are far worse than even a nuclear first strike, especially if it was confined as much as possible to strategic targets in Iran.
52 posted on 09/02/2006 10:37:59 AM PDT by CertainInalienableRights
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To: GMMAC
"We should nuke Iran"

We who? Who will do this, send in troops to clean up the mess and pay for it all? We indeed.

Someone desperately wants the US to be Iran's "daddy" I think.

Let the EU's take care of it this time. I will gladly sit back with a bag of popcorn and cheer on any European country that wants to take out the Nutter.

53 posted on 09/02/2006 10:43:08 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: GMMAC

Now this is a good article.

Think about it...comparisons to Hitler are unfair to Hitler!

Who are Iran's enemies. Where are the threats to her borders?

None and nowhere. Yet, they desire to destroy a people and a nation and moreover desire to reconquer the Persian empire, the Ottoman Empire and all other Empires.

Reading this article is reading sound advice.


54 posted on 09/02/2006 10:53:23 AM PDT by Prost1 (Remember, a democrat is a friend if it is time to vote or you have money to take.)
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To: Earthdweller
"We who?"

"We" per my post #38.

"I will gladly sit back with a bag of popcorn and cheer on any European country ..."

You'll definitely be better off eating popcorn than you would be holding your breath while waiting for 'old Europe' to do much beyond engaging in empty pontification while delusionally basking in its former glory.
55 posted on 09/02/2006 11:10:19 AM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: Ouderkirk; aculeus
This form the Toronto Sun ???? Will wonders never cease.

Actually, this is not surprising writing for the Toronto Sun. You probably are thinking about the Toronto (Red) Star which is nauseatingly liberal. On the other hand, Michael Coren is frequently all over the map.>/p>

56 posted on 09/02/2006 11:10:56 AM PDT by Asfarastheeastisfromthewest... ( "Sooner or later in life, we all sit down to a banquet of consequences." Robert Louis Stevenson)
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To: GMMAC
"You'll definitely be better off eating popcorn than you would be holding your breath while waiting for 'old Europe' to do much beyond engaging in empty pontification while delusionally basking in its former glory."

I don't think the slimy socialists/commies will just let the Islamic fascists take over. But thats just me. LOL.

Maybe I'm just wishful thinking but wouldn't it be fun to watch too enemies of the west duke it out?

How's that saying go?...If two of your enemies are fighting , try your best not to interfere.

57 posted on 09/02/2006 11:17:57 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: mkjessup
Unfortunately, the nuke option is the ONLY option with Iran, because that rogue state is led by a pack of maniacs who desperately need an international b!tch-slapping and the humiliation that follows. They think they're so invincible that their sh*t doesn't stink.

I tend to agree, but there is something you are missing. Unfortunately, the fallout would contaminate a large portion of Pakistan and India.
58 posted on 09/02/2006 11:20:13 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: Logical me
Wait until this "little Hitler"conquers most of Europe.

Iran thus is Europe's problem, is it not? Why should America AGAIN spend its blood and resources to AGAIN come to the rescue of Europe--Thy Name is Cowardice (the subject of another FR discussion thread).

59 posted on 09/02/2006 11:27:10 AM PDT by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: GMMAC

I think a bunch of Syrian bombs might accidentally go off in Iran.


60 posted on 09/02/2006 11:30:45 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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